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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 480536" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I don't remember anywhere in PHB that says you must do all your AoOs with your primary weapon. In fact you can trip as AoO, and you don't trip with your weapon (unless you have a specific tripping weapon).</p><p></p><p>Why couldn't you attack normally with your primary weapon and make the AoO with a secondary weapon (or the opposite)? You take all the appropriate penalties for not having Ambidexterity, and most probably the secondary weapon is weaker, at least for the half Str bonus to damage, but why should you ever take the 2WF penalties?</p><p></p><p>I agree with Aaron2 that 2WF penalties (the -6 to both attacks which is reduced by 2 from 2WF Feat and having light weapon in secondary hand) apply only when you use both weapons in your turn, and if you choose to do so those penalties apply for 1 whole round, which includes AoO. But if you haven't been 2WFighting during your turn, why should you get the penalties now, that you're doing 1 single attack (which doesn't have penalties if in your regular turn you use ONLY the secondary weapon?).</p><p>What about a monster who attacks only with its tail, and then make an AoO with a claw or bite?</p><p></p><p>I think you decide to use 2WF when it's your turn such as with Power Attack, and its bonus/penalties apply until your next turn (except that you still make 1 and only attack as AoO).</p><p></p><p>Therefore, I don't really think you need to "wield" your unarmed attack to use it in a AoO, in the sense that "wielding" it without using it together with another attack isn't really two-weapon fighting...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 480536, member: 1465"] I don't remember anywhere in PHB that says you must do all your AoOs with your primary weapon. In fact you can trip as AoO, and you don't trip with your weapon (unless you have a specific tripping weapon). Why couldn't you attack normally with your primary weapon and make the AoO with a secondary weapon (or the opposite)? You take all the appropriate penalties for not having Ambidexterity, and most probably the secondary weapon is weaker, at least for the half Str bonus to damage, but why should you ever take the 2WF penalties? I agree with Aaron2 that 2WF penalties (the -6 to both attacks which is reduced by 2 from 2WF Feat and having light weapon in secondary hand) apply only when you use both weapons in your turn, and if you choose to do so those penalties apply for 1 whole round, which includes AoO. But if you haven't been 2WFighting during your turn, why should you get the penalties now, that you're doing 1 single attack (which doesn't have penalties if in your regular turn you use ONLY the secondary weapon?). What about a monster who attacks only with its tail, and then make an AoO with a claw or bite? I think you decide to use 2WF when it's your turn such as with Power Attack, and its bonus/penalties apply until your next turn (except that you still make 1 and only attack as AoO). Therefore, I don't really think you need to "wield" your unarmed attack to use it in a AoO, in the sense that "wielding" it without using it together with another attack isn't really two-weapon fighting... [/QUOTE]
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