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<blockquote data-quote="BASHMAN" data-source="post: 3482826" data-attributes="member: 8277">Then deciding to BASH with a shield should be treated as an immediate action that does not incur AOOs, meaning that when you have the opportunity to AOO with a shield, you have the option to do so.&nbsp; Deciding to attack with your shield should not be limited to your own turn-- you can decide to lose its shield bonus to AC if you want to take advantage of an AOO-- but the AC loss should be for a full round, not just until your next turn.&nbsp; That way, if the orc goes on 10 and you go on 9, and the orc incurs AOO, and you shield bash him, you don't immediately get your AC bonus back as you use your move action to draw a weapon and attack with it as a standard.&nbsp; You would get your AC bonus back on 10 of the following round.&nbsp; I think this would be a fair way to do it. Of course, a person with improved shield bash should ALWAYS threaten with their shield.&nbsp; Otherwise, the DM is breaking their character concept.&nbsp; It is hard enough to make a Spartan with the crappy&nbsp; shortspear from 3.5, to make my bashing shield totally impotent as well would be too much!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BASHMAN, post: 3482826, member: 8277"] Then deciding to BASH with a shield should be treated as an immediate action that does not incur AOOs, meaning that when you have the opportunity to AOO with a shield, you have the option to do so. Deciding to attack with your shield should not be limited to your own turn-- you can decide to lose its shield bonus to AC if you want to take advantage of an AOO-- but the AC loss should be for a full round, not just until your next turn. That way, if the orc goes on 10 and you go on 9, and the orc incurs AOO, and you shield bash him, you don't immediately get your AC bonus back as you use your move action to draw a weapon and attack with it as a standard. You would get your AC bonus back on 10 of the following round. I think this would be a fair way to do it. Of course, a person with improved shield bash should ALWAYS threaten with their shield. Otherwise, the DM is breaking their character concept. It is hard enough to make a Spartan with the crappy shortspear from 3.5, to make my bashing shield totally impotent as well would be too much! [/QUOTE]

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