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Message: <blockquote data-quote="apsuman" data-source="post: 159732" data-attributes="member: 1769">I didn't know the MCofKord would doulbe the STR domain abilities.The point I was (trying to ) make was that a normal wizard would three times empower Bulls Str for 150% increase for an 8th level spell, so that +5 becomes +12.An Incantrix can cast (a) metamagic feat with a one less casting level increase (I think -  don't flame me if I am wrong) meaning that the empowered metamagic feat only increases the spell by 1 level, so 2nd level Bulls Str + 7 empowerments would make it a ninth level spell, that max +5 becomes increased by 350% so it becomes +22 enhancement to STR.  (Again, I might be wrong).A large caster (say a half dragon wiz ) that could polymorph into a cloud giant (huge) withan average of a 39 (from memory) str, then have the 7 times empower bulls str cast (and roll well)  could have a 61 STR that way.  Again, forgive my mistakes,  I am doing this from memory and 61 still doesn't cut it.  My point tho was that everyone is working on the same way to boost str (the MCofKord) and I am curious if there is another way... that is all.g!</blockquote>