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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 162109" data-attributes="member: 1194">Dude, that is actually quite funny.  LOL  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />"extra-munchkiny"   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Myself, i think that even including a +5 Manual of Gainful Exercise is ridiculously munchkin, but that's the way the Smackdowns are played, grasshoppper.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And if you want to limit this high-STR character (to make it more "practical" :Use the Mighty Contender of Kord PrC from Dragon 283 (Brb1/Cleric8/Mighty Contender 10/Frenzied Berserker1) 20 STR half-orc +4 while raged +4 Rage spell (DotF) +6 when frenzied +2 Mighty Contender level ups +5 level ups each 4 levels +4 Righteous Might +27 from the Surge of Power 10th level Contender ability: grant an enhancement bonus to STR equal to 1.5 times your combined cleric and contender levels for 1d4+1 rounds = 72 STR (for 1d4+1 rounds) That is a real character - not only practical, that's the progression for Ubaar (see my sig)The Rage spell is written into his background.He has a magic item provided to him by a significant NPC in his life to become a great champion for the half-orcs.And this practical character doesn't use the +5 Manual ('only' 137,500 gp's) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />He only uses spells he can cast himself and a 3rd level magic item (and toss in the luckstone and ioun stone which is also supported in his backstory - he likes pretties.)So we get +41 to the STR check.And all this is almost verbatim off of what I'd already worked out almost a year ago in the Sultans of SMack thread....Part of the reason to create Ubaar was to have a legendary-Strength half-orc character that would live on for generations in story and song thru feats of Strength exactly like this DC 50 pulverizing of stone fortresses and the like.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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