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<blockquote data-quote="ken-ichi" data-source="post: 2599704" data-attributes="member: 20061"><p>I think the discussions hinge on whether or not you say that "using" the flurry of blows ability lasts for the whole round or just a part of the round.</p><p>If using the flurry ability lasts for a whole round, then a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons as attacking with any other weapons are not allowed.</p><p>If using the flurry ability lasts only part of a character's action then a monk may start a flurry, make his flurry attacks, end his flurry, and continue attacking with non monk weapons.</p><p>I would look to similar attack options that you can do with full attacks and base my decision around them.</p><p>I can look at Power Attack, Combat Expertise, Fighting Defensively, Two Weapon Fighting, and Whirlwind attack. All these options can be done with a full attack and all these options affect your to hit rolls until your next turn. As you still get the AC bonus from Expertise and the damage bonus from PA on your AOO, these options continue to apply thier effects until your next turn. Whirlwind Attack is similar in that it imposes severe limits on what attacks you can make during your full attack action. It is obvious that there are full attack actions that don't permit you to make use of all your available attack types or quantity of allowed attacks. </p><p>Whirlwind says: When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities.</p><p>Flurry says: When using Flurry of Blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons. </p><p>Both work in a similar but different manner. Whirlwind limits the number of attacks you can make, while flurry limits the weapons with which you can make any of your attacks.</p><p></p><p>If you follow the logic of using the flurry of blows lasts only part of your round and allows you to continue attacking with non monk weapons then you would have to allow someone to Whirlwind Attack and then stop whirlwinding and then make any bonus or extra attacks after the whirlwind attack is finished. After all, the limitation ends when the whirlwind ends right? That is what allowing a monk to attack with nonmonk weapons on the same round as performing a flurry is doing, ignoring the limitations imposed by performing the flurry by stating the flurry is over.</p><p></p><p>So I would have to say that if you wish to perform a flurry, then no natural attacks or non-monk attacks are allowed.</p><p>A monk can still gain extra attacks using Two-Weapon fighting while performing a flurry, but only if the second weapon is an unarmed strike or a non-monk weapon.</p><p>If you wish to make your natural attacks or make any attacks with a non-monk weapon, then you are not eligible to gain the extra attacks from the Flurry ability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ken-ichi, post: 2599704, member: 20061"] I think the discussions hinge on whether or not you say that "using" the flurry of blows ability lasts for the whole round or just a part of the round. If using the flurry ability lasts for a whole round, then a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons as attacking with any other weapons are not allowed. If using the flurry ability lasts only part of a character's action then a monk may start a flurry, make his flurry attacks, end his flurry, and continue attacking with non monk weapons. I would look to similar attack options that you can do with full attacks and base my decision around them. I can look at Power Attack, Combat Expertise, Fighting Defensively, Two Weapon Fighting, and Whirlwind attack. All these options can be done with a full attack and all these options affect your to hit rolls until your next turn. As you still get the AC bonus from Expertise and the damage bonus from PA on your AOO, these options continue to apply thier effects until your next turn. Whirlwind Attack is similar in that it imposes severe limits on what attacks you can make during your full attack action. It is obvious that there are full attack actions that don't permit you to make use of all your available attack types or quantity of allowed attacks. Whirlwind says: When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities. Flurry says: When using Flurry of Blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons. Both work in a similar but different manner. Whirlwind limits the number of attacks you can make, while flurry limits the weapons with which you can make any of your attacks. If you follow the logic of using the flurry of blows lasts only part of your round and allows you to continue attacking with non monk weapons then you would have to allow someone to Whirlwind Attack and then stop whirlwinding and then make any bonus or extra attacks after the whirlwind attack is finished. After all, the limitation ends when the whirlwind ends right? That is what allowing a monk to attack with nonmonk weapons on the same round as performing a flurry is doing, ignoring the limitations imposed by performing the flurry by stating the flurry is over. So I would have to say that if you wish to perform a flurry, then no natural attacks or non-monk attacks are allowed. A monk can still gain extra attacks using Two-Weapon fighting while performing a flurry, but only if the second weapon is an unarmed strike or a non-monk weapon. If you wish to make your natural attacks or make any attacks with a non-monk weapon, then you are not eligible to gain the extra attacks from the Flurry ability. [/QUOTE]
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