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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bauglir" data-source="post: 1694253" data-attributes="member: 6982">Consider this:  A rogue with a ring of invisbility manages to move right up behind a victim undetected.  He then carefully (and invisibly) reaches around and cuts his victim's throat.  The victim is not defending himself in any way, since he is unaware of the rogue's presence.  Is this situation a coup de grace?If not, what is the defining difference that makes the barber scenario a coup de grace, while this is not?</blockquote>