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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5828507" data-attributes="member: 92305">That's definitely an interpretation of the rules (and I can see how you got there), but it's an incorrect interpretation based on RAW.&nbsp;Read page 22 of the 3.5 DMG (where it is called an &quot;encounter&quot; and not necessarily a &quot;combat encounter&quot;).&nbsp; It's specific there that initiative is thrown at awarness, not combat intent.&nbsp;If you read that section throughly, you'll see that it keeps referring to awarness of the other party--not necessarily combat attacks.&nbsp; Under Both Sides Aware At the Same Time, it is even suggested that, if combat cannot ensue but both parties are aware of each other, that the GM continue to play out actions in combat rounds though no combat is taking place--the GM counting the rounds before actual combat happens.&nbsp;Under the Combat Actions Outside Combat section, there is even an example of using the combat round to adjucate a non-combat circumstance.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If I'm wrong about this, I'd like someone to correct me by citing the book.&nbsp; I want to be wrong about this, but that's what I'm reading.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5828507, member: 92305"] That's definitely an interpretation of the rules (and I can see how you got there), but it's an incorrect interpretation based on RAW. Read page 22 of the 3.5 DMG (where it is called an "encounter" and not necessarily a "combat encounter"). It's specific there that initiative is thrown at awarness, not combat intent. If you read that section throughly, you'll see that it keeps referring to awarness of the other party--not necessarily combat attacks. Under [B]Both Sides Aware At the Same Time[/B], it is even suggested that, if combat cannot ensue but both parties are aware of each other, that the GM continue to play out actions in combat rounds though no combat is taking place--the GM counting the rounds before actual combat happens. Under the [B]Combat Actions Outside Combat[/B] section, there is even an example of using the combat round to adjucate a non-combat circumstance. If I'm wrong about this, I'd like someone to correct me by citing the book. I [I]want[/I] to be wrong about this, but that's what I'm reading. [/QUOTE]

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