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<blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 5829938" data-attributes="member: 40109">Uh...what?&nbsp;Example (Both Aware but Cannot Interact Immediately): A party of adventurers comes along a dungeon corridor and hears the laughter of orcs beyond the door ahead. Meanwhile, the orc lookout sees the adventurers through a peephole in the door and warns his comrades. The door is closed, so no direct interaction is possible yet. Jozan casts bless. Lidda drinks a potion. Tordek and Mialee move up to the door. At the same time, the orcs move into position, and one uses a ring of invisibility to hide. The DM records the passage of 1 round. The adventurers arrange themselves around the door and make a quick plan. The orcs turn over tables and nock arrows in their shortbows. The DM tracks another round. The fighter opens the door, and the DM calls for an initiative check from all. The third round begins, this time with the order of actions being important (and dictated by the initiative check results).&nbsp;That example? The one where initiative isn't thrown until 2 rounds after the orc sees the party through the door? And where the DMG explicitly states what I explained previously: that you use initiative when the order of actions becomes important (and not until then)?&nbsp;Except no, it wasn't.&nbsp;Done. Any questions?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vegepygmy, post: 5829938, member: 40109"] Uh...what? [COLOR=deepskyblue][I]Example (Both Aware but Cannot Interact Immediately):[/I] A party of adventurers comes along a dungeon corridor and hears the laughter of orcs beyond the door ahead. Meanwhile, the orc lookout sees the adventurers through a peephole in the door and warns his comrades. The door is closed, so no direct interaction is possible yet. Jozan casts [I]bless.[/I] Lidda drinks a potion. Tordek and Mialee move up to the door. At the same time, the orcs move into position, and one uses a [I]ring of invisibility[/I] to hide. [B]The DM records the passage of 1 round.[/B] The adventurers arrange themselves around the door and make a quick plan. The orcs turn over tables and nock arrows in their shortbows. [B]The DM tracks another round.[/B] The fighter opens the door, [B][U]and the DM calls for an initiative check from all.[/U][/B] [B]The third round begins,[/B] this time with the order of actions being important (and dictated by the initiative check results).[/COLOR] That example? The one where initiative isn't thrown until 2 rounds after the orc sees the party through the door? And where the DMG explicitly states what I explained previously: that you use initiative [I]when the order of actions becomes important[/I] (and not until then)? Except no, it wasn't. Done. Any questions? [/QUOTE]

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