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<blockquote data-quote="Xakk" data-source="post: 5658094" data-attributes="member: 88355">While the tips for improving the core concept are alright, we still need to establish a means as to accomplish it, which we haven't. Two points about throw anything, firstly it seems it would require a quite cooperative DM to work, and secondly, it doesn't seem like it would allow one to damage the thrown enemy via hitting them against stationary objects. Or other enemies, for that matter. Where are the rules on this?Hulking hurler is the first thing I found, but after looking for loopholes to the &quot;Goliath or Large&quot; requirement, I passed it over. That's less the flavor of scuffling with an enemy than it is bring so large you could as easily crush as toss them. There are specific rules for how much a character can drag, and separately lift over their head, and the second number can go far beyond the weight of most medium races, and the most natural motion to do when there's a hostile creature lifted above your head is to throw it. Further, falling damage fails to account for horizontal velocity. Technically, you could be Tarzan swinging through the jungle, and hit a tree whilst mid swing, and then fall 30 feet to the ground, suffering only 3d6 damage, though the DM probably would roll some more up for the collision on their own initiative. Yes, and so do numerous weapons. For the same reason one chooses nunchaku over clubs, I'm trying to find the means to use enemies' own body mass as a weapon of choice. As for Setting Sun, that gets closer, but maneuvers are really more akin to martial spells than to the simple combat option I am proposing. I'd like to be able to do such a thing more than twice a battle if I'm building it as my core concept.I don't mean to be difficult on this. I just get rather specific ideas of what kind of thing I want to characterize.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xakk, post: 5658094, member: 88355"] While the tips for improving the core concept are alright, we still need to establish a means as to accomplish it, which we haven't. Two points about throw anything, firstly it seems it would require a quite cooperative DM to work, and secondly, it doesn't seem like it would allow one to damage the thrown enemy via hitting them against stationary objects. Or other enemies, for that matter. Where are the rules on this? Hulking hurler is the first thing I found, but after looking for loopholes to the "Goliath or Large" requirement, I passed it over. That's less the flavor of scuffling with an enemy than it is bring so large you could as easily crush as toss them. There are specific rules for how much a character can drag, and separately lift over their head, and the second number can go far beyond the weight of most medium races, and the most natural motion to do when there's a hostile creature lifted above your head is to throw it. Further, falling damage fails to account for horizontal velocity. Technically, you could be Tarzan swinging through the jungle, and hit a tree whilst mid swing, and then fall 30 feet to the ground, suffering only 3d6 damage, though the DM probably would roll some more up for the collision on their own initiative. Yes, and so do numerous weapons. For the same reason one chooses nunchaku over clubs, I'm trying to find the means to use enemies' own body mass as a weapon of choice. As for Setting Sun, that gets closer, but maneuvers are really more akin to martial spells than to the simple combat option I am proposing. I'd like to be able to do such a thing more than twice a battle if I'm building it as my core concept. I don't mean to be difficult on this. I just get rather specific ideas of what kind of thing I want to characterize. [/QUOTE]

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