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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 3577589" data-attributes="member: 18680">It seems like good ideas come in batches.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />   In the case of Shuriken's it is almost silly otherwise as, given that these items are ammo, they are never going to be viable to invest in without some sort of boost.  Even as a secondary combat mode, they have the problem of requiring feats to be really effective -- it is really hard to justify burning feats on thrown weapons unless you are a fighter.  I wonder how much of this is due to two features of D&D:1) People take an enormous number of "hits" wioth thrown weapons to kill at medium or high levels.  There are many examples in real fights of people being killed by a single thrown spear, arrow or axe.  In D&D, people need to have a vast reserve of hit points worn down and that tends to distort the amount of ammunition required to fight a foe.  2) Magic items are so important in 3.5 that the options to make something magic will also drive weapon choice strategy.   If weapon X can't be made to pierce DR/magic then it is in big trouble at medium and high levels.  3) Feats are often required to make ranged attacks work.  The lower levels were items 1 and 2 are not driving strategy have the problem of people being unable to hit with a thrown spear because of astonishing ranged attack penalities and poor overall attack bonuses.  To fix tthis requires a massive investment of feats . . .I do not know how to fix this but I think that it is worth noting.</blockquote>

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