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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 9554004" data-attributes="member: 326">I think because core D&D peaks at Level 20, the consensus among most people is that all monsters designed should be beatable by Level 20 characters. However, when we start to consider Hero-deities, Quasi-deities, Demigods and so forth as potential Player Characters we need monstrous threats for such characters.Personally it doesn't sit well with me that a random party of Level 20 characters can just go and kill Orcus or Tiamat (if they so choose). It just doesn't make sense to me from either a lore perspective or a game mechanical perspective.I cannot speak for Dave's version of Tiamat, I'd probably have 'Primordial' Tiamat around CR 40 (or maybe 44). Which would be approx. 200 Hit Dice. With a few exceptions (such as monsters so big the PC's can adventure inside them) I don't advocate PC's fighting anything that is CR 12 higher than any given PC itself (an Epic Tier PC averages CR 12; though going 'nova' spikes that figure for a round or two). Higher than a +12 CR difference and the regular attacks start to one-shot characters which is not ideal (though for immortal PCs that's not the end of the battle - though I'll save such details for the book) So Primordial Tiamat at CR 40, is something for Lesser Gods to fightTiamat's Avatar at CR 32 is something for Quasi-deities to fightTiamat's Aspects/Consorts at around CR 24 is something for Epic Tier characters to fight</blockquote>

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