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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6415621" data-attributes="member: 92511">Yeah. CR 30 as a capstone for those &quot;possibly killable&quot; entities totally works for me. With 10 CR's worth of space from the PC cap of 20, there's plenty of room for &quot;Epic&quot; level play and &quot;Epic&quot; type creatures (CR's 21-30). Yeah. This works for me. No issues here. A deity isn't a deity because they have a higher CR and bigger HP and bigger AC and bigger...whatever numbers stuff. Deities are deities because, well most obviously, they can impart divine magic on other beings, for starters. THEN, there's the whole &quot;immortality&quot; thing. THEN there's the whole, I have complete power over these areas of the cosmos (skies, seas, animals, corruption, justice, destruction, etc...).I can easily see a &quot;deity&quot; creature (such as Tiamat, Orcus or Asmodeus) with less than 30CR (though, admittedly, I probably would not go below 25), and still have a ton of spells, unique uber-weapons, and magical powers that make most mortals think, &quot;Yeeeaaah. I'm not telling him he's not a god. Anyone else? Fine. Let's get out of here!&quot;With room for non-deity [if you want to call them &quot;primordial&quot; or whatever] creatures like the tarrasque and kraken, the leviathan or behemoth if they bring them in as such monsters, which can still be &quot;simple&quot; monsters which even the gods want kept locked away/don't want to have to fight. Can they, sure. But it would be an actual effort without a guaranteed success...ain'no deity gots time fer that!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6415621, member: 92511"] Yeah. CR 30 as a capstone for those "possibly killable" entities totally works for me. With 10 CR's worth of space from the PC cap of 20, there's plenty of room for "Epic" level play and "Epic" type creatures (CR's 21-30). Yeah. This works for me. No issues here. A deity isn't a deity because they have a higher CR and bigger HP and bigger AC and bigger...whatever numbers stuff. Deities are deities because, well most obviously, they can impart divine magic on other beings, for starters. THEN, there's the whole "immortality" thing. THEN there's the whole, I have complete power over these areas of the cosmos (skies, seas, animals, corruption, justice, destruction, etc...). I can easily see a "deity" creature (such as Tiamat, Orcus or Asmodeus) with less than 30CR (though, admittedly, I probably would not go below 25), and still have a ton of spells, unique uber-weapons, and magical powers that make most mortals think, "Yeeeaaah. [I]I'm [/I]not telling him he's not a god. Anyone else? Fine. Let's get out of here!" With room for non-deity [if you want to call them "primordial" or whatever] creatures like the tarrasque and kraken, the leviathan or behemoth if they bring them in as such monsters, which can still be "simple" monsters which even the gods want kept locked away/don't want to have to fight. Can they, sure. But it would be an actual effort without a guaranteed success...ain'no deity gots time fer that! [/QUOTE]

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