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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9669713" data-attributes="member: 83242">OK, I have done a deep dive yet, but I just take a look at the monsters the 2014 DMG and your formula are in agreement, but disagree with the 2014 MM to see if revisions in  2024 versions change the result. Giant Ape CR 7Using the 2014 DMG calculator I get the following:2014: CR 62024: CR 7 (6.5) - CR increase do to increase in HP (168 vs 157)Owlbear CR 3Using the 2014 DMG calculator I get the following:2014: CR 22024: CR 3 (2.5) - CR increase do to increase in DPR (28 vs 24)Ogre CR 2Using the 2014 DMG calculator I get the following:2014: CR 12024: CR 1  - however it gets a 15% boost in HP (68 vs 59) which almost justifies the CR. If they had bumped it to 71 HP, then it would be CR 2 per the 2014 DMGPlesiosaurus CR 2Using the 2014 DMG calculator I get the following:2014: CR 12024: CR 1  - oddly the DPR is actually lower (11 vs 14)It seems likely to me that both the 2014 DMG and your math are mostly correct for these monsters, it was just an error in the 2014 MM version of the monster that leads to the CRs not matching. However, both the 2024 Ogre and Plesiousaurus lead me to believe their CR calculator was revised down a bit a low CRs.</blockquote>