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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 9814073" data-attributes="member: 6677017">That's a lot of information in that!I was initially valuing the effects of conditions based on methods very similar to what I saw on one of the pages of your website--trying to figure out how they should actually effect a combat against an assumed template party, and translate that into increases decreases to the basic monster CR variables (AC, AB, DPR, HP). But then Jeremy Crawford said that conditions actually have a set equivalent damage value. His example being scorching ray as the basis of 2nd-level spell damage, where hold person the iconic initial "action denial" spell is, and therefore "action denial" conditions are worth the damage of scorching ray, which would be 21. So paralysis and other similar conditions are considered 2nd-level/21 damage, and that's how you adjust monster stats. He, interestingly and enigmatically, said an effect that only paralyzes, would be worth that damage value, perhaps hinting that if it were a rider on another attack it wouldn't just add that 21 damage. (To add my own comment, it shouldn't add the same value, since there is an extra saving throw between the attack hitting and the paralysis working, which should be accounted for, and it would be a massive oversight if they didn't in some manner account fof that.) All that to say, I was just wandering if you had figured out what the damage equivalents of the other conditions are?Here's a really important question. Since their spreadsheet has no place to enter Save DC, I'm assuming that effects that rely on saves rather than attacks must convert to an equivalent Attack Bonus value. I believe your analysis determined what that should be, but I'm not sure what the final value was. According to your calculations, in DC = AB + x, what is x?That's good then, because, once I figured it out, it seemed like an obvious way to do it, and if the values are similar, I can include it as I attempt to figure out the other details.Since I haven't gotten anywhere near CR 20+ yet, I haven't run into the issue of the curve changing after that. But I do have a thought on a possibility for what might be going on that doesn't require the XP-based CR to be wrong. If you look at the MM errata, in the first printing some of the high CR monsters were apparently printed with the wrong XP value for their CR (always too low).What if the way they dealt with balancing PC stats not increasing above level 20, that created that different curve, was simply to give us different XP values for the CRs above 20 than that actual XP values that the formula creates? When I determine CR from XP, I just make a table with each row having a CR value and an XP range. The spreadsheet takes determines which row the XP from the formula fits, and tells me the CR. By simply using different values for the XP on that table I could adjust things however I want, while still using the same formula. Since in published monsters each CR gives us a set XP, rather than a range, they could easily just choose set XPs for each row that are disconnected to the actual XPs but create that curve you found.</blockquote>

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