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<blockquote data-quote="thewok" data-source="post: 5825204" data-attributes="member: 60907">Tieflings in my world are not a planar species.&nbsp; They are the 4E tieflings, whose ancestors made pacts with devils.&nbsp; They are natural humanoids, just like humans.&nbsp; They are not immortals or outsiders or whatever origin the 2E/3E tieflings were.&nbsp; You may wish to limit tieflings to &quot;interplanar interaction,&quot; but I have no desire to do so.I've never played a half-dragon.&nbsp; I have, however, played a Dragonborn (not at all a half-dragon), and I have played a half-elf who has dragon blood somewhere in her ancestry (a major NPC in my campaign world).&nbsp; At no point in the playing of these characters did &quot;rampant horny dragon interspecies sex&quot; even get mentioned--apart from some light-hearted jokes now and then.&nbsp; The dragonborn are a species related to dragons, but are not dragons.You may not like these as core races, but many people, including me, do.&nbsp; If they are included in the PHB, you have the ability to say, &quot;These do not exist in my world as player races.&quot;&nbsp; If they are not in the PHB, I lack the ability to include them without trying to come up with some weird homebrew equivalent that may or may not be anywhere close to what WotC publishes six months down the line.&nbsp; And I don't want that headache.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="thewok, post: 5825204, member: 60907"] Tieflings in my world are not a planar species. They are the 4E tieflings, whose ancestors made pacts with devils. They are natural humanoids, just like humans. They are not immortals or outsiders or whatever origin the 2E/3E tieflings were. You may wish to limit tieflings to "interplanar interaction," but I have no desire to do so. I've never played a half-dragon. I have, however, played a Dragonborn (not at all a half-dragon), and I have played a half-elf who has dragon blood somewhere in her ancestry (a major NPC in my campaign world). At no point in the playing of these characters did "rampant horny dragon interspecies sex" even get mentioned--apart from some light-hearted jokes now and then. The dragonborn are a species related to dragons, but [I]are not dragons[/I]. You may not like these as core races, but many people, including me, do. If they are included in the PHB, you have the ability to say, "These do not exist in my world as player races." If they are not in the PHB, I lack the ability to include them without trying to come up with some weird homebrew equivalent that may or may not be anywhere close to what WotC publishes six months down the line. And I don't want that headache. [/QUOTE]

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