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Tiefling and half-orc should not be in the PHB
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<blockquote data-quote="Danzauker" data-source="post: 5825347" data-attributes="member: 1929"><p>I think the next PHB should showcase a good selection of races that cover the largest range of archetypes, given space constraints of course.</p><p></p><p>Fantasy is not just Tolkien anymore. And neither is Vance (who is, BTW, almost unknown in many countries outside USA). Fantasy is also Harry Potter and Narnia. Fantasy has lots of fans in anime and videogame enthusiasts, and even Star Wars, Flash Gordon and Avatar can be in some part be called fantasy.</p><p></p><p>Given that Human, Elf and Dwarf are almost universal, would a random person be more likely to know what a Gnome is or what an Halfling is (Hobbit maybe)? </p><p></p><p>Would the big guy race be better covered by an obscure "goliath" or an instantly recognized "minotaur"? Wouldn't a Full Metal Alchemist fan be delighted by being able to play Alphonse out of the box using a Warforged? And wouldn't be Flash Gordon style bird people and furry cat people be more appealing than Drows, which are after all almost unknown except among D&D players?</p><p></p><p>Of course, between having a lot of stuff badly done and little stuff done well, and the other in optional books, I prefer the latter approach, but RPGs for what I know are already famous among the common crowd to require you to buy a lot of books in order to play, so a PHB that presents a good selection of different races would serve IMHO the game better than just 4 or 5 classic races.</p><p></p><p>In my very personal selection I'd like to see:</p><p></p><p>Human</p><p>Elf</p><p>Dwarf</p><p>Halfling and/or Gnome</p><p>Orc</p><p></p><p>All those races could have mechanics to make half-races or be customized for ezamples in Wild Elves and Wood Elves</p><p></p><p>Then some more uncommon archetypes, with maybe less customization options</p><p></p><p>Reptilians/Dragonborn</p><p>Furries/Shifters</p><p>Big Guys/Minotaurs or Ogre or Goliath or something like that</p><p>Bird people/Aarakokra or some other race</p><p>dark emo race (people seem to love that)/Tiefling or Drow</p><p></p><p>It's up to the guidelines to explain that the races presented in the PHB are just tools to build your own game, and that if you want to play A Song of Fire and Ice you can well just use only Humans and you're fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Danzauker, post: 5825347, member: 1929"] I think the next PHB should showcase a good selection of races that cover the largest range of archetypes, given space constraints of course. Fantasy is not just Tolkien anymore. And neither is Vance (who is, BTW, almost unknown in many countries outside USA). Fantasy is also Harry Potter and Narnia. Fantasy has lots of fans in anime and videogame enthusiasts, and even Star Wars, Flash Gordon and Avatar can be in some part be called fantasy. Given that Human, Elf and Dwarf are almost universal, would a random person be more likely to know what a Gnome is or what an Halfling is (Hobbit maybe)? Would the big guy race be better covered by an obscure "goliath" or an instantly recognized "minotaur"? Wouldn't a Full Metal Alchemist fan be delighted by being able to play Alphonse out of the box using a Warforged? And wouldn't be Flash Gordon style bird people and furry cat people be more appealing than Drows, which are after all almost unknown except among D&D players? Of course, between having a lot of stuff badly done and little stuff done well, and the other in optional books, I prefer the latter approach, but RPGs for what I know are already famous among the common crowd to require you to buy a lot of books in order to play, so a PHB that presents a good selection of different races would serve IMHO the game better than just 4 or 5 classic races. In my very personal selection I'd like to see: Human Elf Dwarf Halfling and/or Gnome Orc All those races could have mechanics to make half-races or be customized for ezamples in Wild Elves and Wood Elves Then some more uncommon archetypes, with maybe less customization options Reptilians/Dragonborn Furries/Shifters Big Guys/Minotaurs or Ogre or Goliath or something like that Bird people/Aarakokra or some other race dark emo race (people seem to love that)/Tiefling or Drow It's up to the guidelines to explain that the races presented in the PHB are just tools to build your own game, and that if you want to play A Song of Fire and Ice you can well just use only Humans and you're fine. [/QUOTE]
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