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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Somebloke" data-source="post: 5825644" data-attributes="member: 67268">I really agree. The core arguments put forward don't really hold any water. The idea that this could great headaches for DMs that want to ban these races ignores that DnD has always been a modular game, with DM changes/denials an accepted part of play. The idea that they will take up unecessary space strikes me as ridiculous, given the typical space needed to write up a race in the 3rd and 4th editions. And the argument that the ODnD races are alone icons of fantasy is only arguably true if one focused on a very narrow group of fantasy literature/rpgs in the 80s and then never picked up another fantasy book again. Fact is, if fantasy literature as a whole was examined, the only race appearing in the PhB would be humans- everything else would be shuffled to the MM for 'space'.  Look, I...I despise haflings, dwarves and elves. Especially elves. My goodness, do I hate the pointy-eared smug ****s. But I would never think of attempting to limit or inconvenience other fans by lobbying for their exclusion from the phb. Can't all the edition lovers enjoy the game together?</blockquote>