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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Avenger" data-source="post: 5826594" data-attributes="member: 779">If the new edition is to truly consolidate editions, then they should be in the first PHB.  It's not truly consolidating editions if they don't.  And it was disastrous for 4e not having Bards, Barbarians, Druids, Sorcerers and Monks or Gnomes and Half-Orcs in the 1st PHB, as many avoided 4e because it didn't have those classes and races, even if they showed up later.  I seem to remember hearing about how many clearly avoided 2e because it didn't have Assassins or Half-Orcs in the PHB, even if both of them did show up later in 2e.I don't care if the PHB is 320 pages and more than $50, they need to include all if they're going to meet their goal of consolidating editions.</blockquote>