Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Tieflings of Melnibone
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Mark Hope" data-source="post: 3937955" data-attributes="member: 27051"><p>Completely agree. Moral relativism is all well and good, but it's not really part of D&D alignments. And even from a relatavistic point of view, I'd say that some things are pretty rotten no matter how you look at it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, you could do worse than to head on over to <a href="http://www.multiverse.org/" target="_blank">http://www.multiverse.org/</a> - that's Moorcock's site, a very friendly place filled with folks like me who like nothing better than to bang on about this stuff all day long <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>That said, though, I'll try to give you a quick answer to a slightly complicated bunch of books...</p><p></p><p>Moorcock wrote the first Elric tales back in the 60s (a few short stories and a novella.) These comprised the latter half of what would become the Elric saga. Yeah, he wrote the ending first. Over the following years, he filled in the blanks, through short stories and novels. As the years went by, his style has changed a bit too. Most recently, he did a spin-off trilogy that features Elric in our world and an awesome graphic novel with Walt Simonson that is a prequel to the whole saga.</p><p></p><p>Terramotus' advice is very good. The books he lists are collections of the main entries in the saga, and are very good. The first one on his list <em>Elric of Melnibone</em> is the first in the series (not including the recent graphic novel), despite being written later. Definitely read it, definitely read <em>Weird of the White Wolf</em> and definitely <em>definitely</em> read <em>Stormbringer</em>. It rocks.</p><p></p><p>Other than that, you could also conceivably start with the graphic novel (<em>Making of a Sorcerer</em>) which is both the most recent as well as the first chronological entry in the saga.</p><p></p><p>You could also just read the original stories that came out in the 60s (recently collected by Gollancz Masterworks in an omnibus just called <em>Elric</em>.) This comprises the second half of the saga, more or less, from <em>Weird of the White Wolf</em> onwards.</p><p></p><p>You could go the whole hog and track down a couple of omnibus collections by White Wolf Publishing called <em>Elric: Song of the Black Sword</em> and <em>Elric: Stealer of Souls</em>. These contain everything, apart from the recent spin-off series and the graphic novel. They can be hard to find, and are uneven in style (being collected from across several decades) but are as complete a collection as it gets. (There are a few other bits and pieces here and there I haven't mentioned, but only Moorcock obsessives like me tend to worry about that kind of thing...)</p><p></p><p>Or you could wait until next year, when Del Rey are re-releasing all the Elric stuff in deluxe illustrated editions, with "director's cut" extras and the works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark Hope, post: 3937955, member: 27051"] Completely agree. Moral relativism is all well and good, but it's not really part of D&D alignments. And even from a relatavistic point of view, I'd say that some things are pretty rotten no matter how you look at it. Well, you could do worse than to head on over to [url]http://www.multiverse.org/[/url] - that's Moorcock's site, a very friendly place filled with folks like me who like nothing better than to bang on about this stuff all day long :D That said, though, I'll try to give you a quick answer to a slightly complicated bunch of books... Moorcock wrote the first Elric tales back in the 60s (a few short stories and a novella.) These comprised the latter half of what would become the Elric saga. Yeah, he wrote the ending first. Over the following years, he filled in the blanks, through short stories and novels. As the years went by, his style has changed a bit too. Most recently, he did a spin-off trilogy that features Elric in our world and an awesome graphic novel with Walt Simonson that is a prequel to the whole saga. Terramotus' advice is very good. The books he lists are collections of the main entries in the saga, and are very good. The first one on his list [i]Elric of Melnibone[/i] is the first in the series (not including the recent graphic novel), despite being written later. Definitely read it, definitely read [I]Weird of the White Wolf[/I] and definitely [I]definitely[/I] read [I]Stormbringer[/I]. It rocks. Other than that, you could also conceivably start with the graphic novel ([i]Making of a Sorcerer[/i]) which is both the most recent as well as the first chronological entry in the saga. You could also just read the original stories that came out in the 60s (recently collected by Gollancz Masterworks in an omnibus just called [i]Elric[/i].) This comprises the second half of the saga, more or less, from [I]Weird of the White Wolf[/I] onwards. You could go the whole hog and track down a couple of omnibus collections by White Wolf Publishing called [I]Elric: Song of the Black Sword[/I] and [I]Elric: Stealer of Souls[/I]. These contain everything, apart from the recent spin-off series and the graphic novel. They can be hard to find, and are uneven in style (being collected from across several decades) but are as complete a collection as it gets. (There are a few other bits and pieces here and there I haven't mentioned, but only Moorcock obsessives like me tend to worry about that kind of thing...) Or you could wait until next year, when Del Rey are re-releasing all the Elric stuff in deluxe illustrated editions, with "director's cut" extras and the works. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Tieflings of Melnibone
Top