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<blockquote data-quote="TwoSix" data-source="post: 9169978" data-attributes="member: 205">I'd agree with this.&nbsp; Put the benchmark levels at 4, 8, 12, and 16.&nbsp; You can also have a &quot;Tier 0&quot; which is pretty much just race, background, and maybe an extra skill and/or feat, with a 1dX HD.&nbsp; No need for a tier 5, just let 9th level spells and such occur diegetically (drink!) in a Tier 4 game.Making the benchmark that multiples of 4 means everyone will have their next feat/ASI baked in, since their progression is fixed.&nbsp; Those HP values you have in the level 7 analysis seem a bit messy; how does the rogue only have 28 HP when the barbarian has 74?Since trying to &quot;balance&quot; the utility value of spellcasting compared to other boons is, at best, a challenge and at worst a fool's errand, I would probably try to make two benchmarks, the noncaster benchmark and &quot;pact magic and invocation&quot; benchmark.&nbsp; I agree with your and Tony's statements above that the Warlock chassis is the best and most balanced caster template; I've been giving a lot of thought the last couple days into only using classes with that chassis for casters in my next game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwoSix, post: 9169978, member: 205"] I'd agree with this. Put the benchmark levels at 4, 8, 12, and 16. You can also have a "Tier 0" which is pretty much just race, background, and maybe an extra skill and/or feat, with a 1dX HD. No need for a tier 5, just let 9th level spells and such occur diegetically (drink!) in a Tier 4 game. Making the benchmark that multiples of 4 means everyone will have their next feat/ASI baked in, since their progression is fixed. Those HP values you have in the level 7 analysis seem a bit messy; how does the rogue only have 28 HP when the barbarian has 74? Since trying to "balance" the utility value of spellcasting compared to other boons is, at best, a challenge and at worst a fool's errand, I would probably try to make two benchmarks, the noncaster benchmark and "pact magic and invocation" benchmark. I agree with your and Tony's statements above that the Warlock chassis is the best and most balanced caster template; I've been giving a lot of thought the last couple days into only using classes with that chassis for casters in my next game. [/QUOTE]

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