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<blockquote data-quote="aboyd" data-source="post: 5696806" data-attributes="member: 44797">No, he's good.&nbsp; He can do things as a DM that I cannot, and I admire him for being more capable.&nbsp; But he also has a play style that rewards certain types of classes -- those that are more self-sufficient and self-contained.&nbsp; So I'm here to see if anyone can collaborate with me on what those classes might be in a Pathfinder game.I feel as though I'm settling on the druid.&nbsp; He can have many critters which I will enjoy statting out over the course of months.&nbsp; He gets access to all his spells, without needing the DM to drop scrolls or spell books.&nbsp; He isn't as diverse as a wizard or cleric, but there are a lot of various things he can do.&nbsp; He will complement the party paladin, so that between us we probably won't need a cleric for healing.My issue right now is that I don't know how to get the 3 feats I need at 1st level.&nbsp; I need scribe scroll, spell focus (conjuration), and augment summoning.&nbsp; Are there ways in Pathfinder to get more than 2 feats at 1st level?I guess if I had to settle on only 2, I'd hold augment summoning for later.&nbsp; At low levels, there is a paucity of spells, so being able to scribe many backup scrolls would be paramount.(Summoners &amp; Sorcerers -- they cannot scribe just &quot;any&quot; scroll available to the class, right?&nbsp; They can only scribe scrolls of spells that they've learned.&nbsp; Yeah?&nbsp; Somewhat similarly, though not as limited, a wizard can only scribe scrolls of spells that are in his spell book.&nbsp; If he never added Knock to his spell book, then he can't scribe a scroll of it.&nbsp; Correct?)If I choose a druid, what are some excellent choices for a deity?&nbsp; In particular, a deity that doesn't provide a prohibitive alignment restriction that would wall off a bunch of spells.&nbsp; Not interested in losing spells, if possible.Also, I'm still open to hearing what other classes are self-contained &amp; interesting long term.&nbsp; Is there a reason why not to choose the druid long term?&nbsp; (Exception: I already know that the cleric fits all my criteria and is even better than the druid, and thus should be what I select; however, I just played a cleric for 5 years, so I've lost interest and need to look at other classes).Thanks everyone.&nbsp; I'll try to give some more XP now.&nbsp; Much appreciated.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aboyd, post: 5696806, member: 44797"] No, he's good. He can do things as a DM that I cannot, and I admire him for being more capable. But he also has a play style that rewards certain types of classes -- those that are more self-sufficient and self-contained. So I'm here to see if anyone can collaborate with me on what those classes might be in a Pathfinder game. I feel as though I'm settling on the druid. He can have many critters which I will enjoy statting out over the course of months. He gets access to all his spells, without needing the DM to drop scrolls or spell books. He isn't as diverse as a wizard or cleric, but there are a lot of various things he can do. He will complement the party paladin, so that between us we probably won't need a cleric for healing. My issue right now is that I don't know how to get the 3 feats I need at 1st level. I need scribe scroll, spell focus (conjuration), and augment summoning. Are there ways in Pathfinder to get more than 2 feats at 1st level? I guess if I had to settle on only 2, I'd hold augment summoning for later. At low levels, there is a paucity of spells, so being able to scribe many backup scrolls would be paramount. (Summoners & Sorcerers -- they cannot scribe just "any" scroll available to the class, right? They can only scribe scrolls of spells that they've learned. Yeah? Somewhat similarly, though not as limited, a wizard can only scribe scrolls of spells that are in his spell book. If he never added Knock to his spell book, then he can't scribe a scroll of it. Correct?) If I choose a druid, what are some excellent choices for a deity? In particular, a deity that doesn't provide a prohibitive alignment restriction that would wall off a bunch of spells. Not interested in losing spells, if possible. Also, I'm still open to hearing what other classes are self-contained & interesting long term. Is there a reason why [i]not[/i] to choose the druid long term? (Exception: I already know that the cleric fits all my criteria and is even better than the druid, and thus should be what I select; however, I just played a cleric for 5 years, so I've lost interest and need to look at other classes). Thanks everyone. I'll try to give some more XP now. Much appreciated. [/QUOTE]

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