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<blockquote data-quote="Samurai" data-source="post: 5703629" data-attributes="member: 3850">Look, some of you may not like Celtavian getting a bit angry, but as far as the facts he is stating, I can 100% confirm it.&nbsp; His game sounds almost exactly like my game.&nbsp; Casters are simple to counter, but the massive physical damage dealers make mincemeat of every enemy I throw at them.&nbsp; A 2-headed, 600 hp dragon vs a party of 11th level characters... the dragon is dead in 1 round thanks to the melee characters.&nbsp; The Sorcerer doesn't even bother casting fireballs and such most of the time, he uses his wand of Enlarge to make the Barbarian/Fighter size Large, increasing his damage even further.&nbsp; How long would it take a Sorcerer to get through the SR and very high saves of a dragon?&nbsp; A long time.&nbsp;&nbsp; But when a martial character like Celtavian described or like the one in my game can chew through such a foe in a round or 2 (and now the monk in our group is getting up there too, especially against lower AC enemies... his attack bonuses are nowhere near as high, but to compensate his defenses are the best in the party with evasion, massive AC, high saves, dodge/mobility chain, and Ki point in defense, he's almost impossible to hit)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Samurai, post: 5703629, member: 3850"] Look, some of you may not like Celtavian getting a bit angry, but as far as the facts he is stating, I can 100% confirm it. His game sounds almost exactly like my game. Casters are simple to counter, but the massive physical damage dealers make mincemeat of every enemy I throw at them. A 2-headed, 600 hp dragon vs a party of 11th level characters... the dragon is [B]dead in 1 round thanks to the melee characters.[/B] The Sorcerer doesn't even bother casting fireballs and such most of the time, he uses his wand of Enlarge to make the Barbarian/Fighter size Large, increasing his damage even further. How long would it take a Sorcerer to get through the SR and very high saves of a dragon? A long time. But when a martial character like Celtavian described or like the one in my game can chew through such a foe in a round or 2 (and now the monk in our group is getting up there too, especially against lower AC enemies... his attack bonuses are nowhere near as high, but to compensate his defenses are the best in the party with evasion, massive AC, high saves, dodge/mobility chain, and Ki point in defense, he's almost impossible to hit) [/QUOTE]

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