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<blockquote data-quote="DDogwood" data-source="post: 5707616" data-attributes="member: 73527">QFT. I've been catching up on this thread, and I keep seeing people talk about the amazing things barbarians and fighters can do in combat - but nobody's denying that the fighting classes are good at fighting. There is a bit of an issue with spells like Wind Wall totally negating most archer builds, or melee fighters being limited against flying monsters, but those things are fairly easily handled by a competent DM. The bigger issue is that casters can do combat well, but can also handle anything and everything outside of combat, too, while the dedicated combat builds are mostly useless outside of the one or two areas where their skills can help. High level casters can literally warp the fabric of reality by creating new planes of existence and bargaining with gods, and that makes the Rogue's trap finding or the Barbarian's ability to finely dice dragons seem a bit lame in comparison. The Tier 1 classes are the worst offenders in this way, because they literally or effectively have access to every spell on their lists. No, a Wizard won't always have the exact spells he needs to slay a raging Barbarian, but the raging barbarian will never be able to teleport his entire party halfway around the world. Again, a good DM can manage this to some extent, but it can take a LOT of work, and it's more about roleplaying and storylines than anything the rules support directly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DDogwood, post: 5707616, member: 73527"] QFT. I've been catching up on this thread, and I keep seeing people talk about the amazing things barbarians and fighters can do in combat - but nobody's denying that the fighting classes are good at fighting. There is a bit of an issue with spells like Wind Wall totally negating most archer builds, or melee fighters being limited against flying monsters, but those things are fairly easily handled by a competent DM. The bigger issue is that casters can do combat well, but can also handle anything and everything outside of combat, too, while the dedicated combat builds are mostly useless outside of the one or two areas where their skills can help. High level casters can literally warp the fabric of reality by creating new planes of existence and bargaining with gods, and that makes the Rogue's trap finding or the Barbarian's ability to finely dice dragons seem a bit lame in comparison. The Tier 1 classes are the worst offenders in this way, because they literally or effectively have access to every spell on their lists. No, a Wizard won't always have the exact spells he needs to slay a raging Barbarian, but the raging barbarian will never be able to teleport his entire party halfway around the world. Again, a good DM can manage this to some extent, but it can take a LOT of work, and it's more about roleplaying and storylines than anything the rules support directly. [/QUOTE]

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