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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6420978" data-attributes="member: 4937">It's also a &quot;combo&quot; that in general I wouldn't allow to work, at least as you've described it.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's an attempt to use the flavor of the spell to evade the rules of the spell.&nbsp; If a person receives a saving throw even if stunned, they certainly receive a saving throw in the event that walls of force have been thrown up to either side of them.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you have to &quot;rationalize&quot; things, consider that when stopped, the targets of this &quot;combo&quot; in general would not be standing perfectly straight and upright and in a perfectly straight and even line.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some will be carrying spears or staves held in front of them.&nbsp; Generally they will be in a fighting crouch with 40&quot; of blade extended in front of them, or in the middle of a fast moving stride.&nbsp; &nbsp; Horses and other 'long' animals will be turned facing the spellcaster.&nbsp;&nbsp; They will be in a variety of postures, and positions and not perfectly lined up for this &quot;combo&quot; either individually or with their comrades.&nbsp; &nbsp; When the combo goes off, they get a reflex save to throw themselves up against either wall, reducing the width of the space they take up.&nbsp;&nbsp; Before the time stop, they were taking up a space 3-5 in depth(or more).&nbsp; After it, they are squeezed into as a little as 8&quot; (though even that small of an area seems really) unlikely.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sure, they end up pinned in a small space between a wall of force and a wall of blades, and if you have rules for 'squeezing', then they are subject to the penalties for squeezing (unless they risk the blades), but they don't lose their saving throw.&nbsp;&nbsp; The rules of the game make no allowance for 'cleverly' removing saving throws in this manner.&nbsp; This is rules lawyering by flavor text.I might allow this sort of thing to work for space filling monsters like Gelatinous Cubes, but that's about it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ideally this sort of thing would be written in to the rules of a &quot;space filling&quot; monster, something like, &quot;Space Filling (ex): Gelatinous Cubes receive no reflex save to avoid any obstacles in the spaces that they occupy or move through.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6420978, member: 4937"] It's also a "combo" that in general I wouldn't allow to work, at least as you've described it. It's an attempt to use the flavor of the spell to evade the rules of the spell. If a person receives a saving throw even if stunned, they certainly receive a saving throw in the event that walls of force have been thrown up to either side of them. If you have to "rationalize" things, consider that when stopped, the targets of this "combo" in general would not be standing perfectly straight and upright and in a perfectly straight and even line. Some will be carrying spears or staves held in front of them. Generally they will be in a fighting crouch with 40" of blade extended in front of them, or in the middle of a fast moving stride. Horses and other 'long' animals will be turned facing the spellcaster. They will be in a variety of postures, and positions and not perfectly lined up for this "combo" either individually or with their comrades. When the combo goes off, they get a reflex save to throw themselves up against either wall, reducing the width of the space they take up. Before the time stop, they were taking up a space 3-5 in depth(or more). After it, they are squeezed into as a little as 8" (though even that small of an area seems really) unlikely. Sure, they end up pinned in a small space between a wall of force and a wall of blades, and if you have rules for 'squeezing', then they are subject to the penalties for squeezing (unless they risk the blades), but they don't lose their saving throw. The rules of the game make no allowance for 'cleverly' removing saving throws in this manner. This is rules lawyering by flavor text. I might allow this sort of thing to work for space filling monsters like Gelatinous Cubes, but that's about it. Ideally this sort of thing would be written in to the rules of a "space filling" monster, something like, "Space Filling (ex): Gelatinous Cubes receive no reflex save to avoid any obstacles in the spaces that they occupy or move through." [/QUOTE]

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