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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6425217" data-attributes="member: 6669384">I stand corrected. You're quite right, neither spell is a &quot;Line Effect&quot;.&nbsp; The Blade Barrier doesn't extend damage to adjacent squares.&nbsp; It only affects creatures in the squares it actually occupies.Spells like Wall of Ice list a definite thickness because it's relevant to the spell:&nbsp; They have a Hardness and a number of hit points per inch of thickness needed to break them.&nbsp; But while Blade Barrier isn't classified as a &quot;Wall&quot; spell, it is described as a &quot;wall of whirling blades&quot; (as opposed to a &quot;plane&quot;), and the last time I looked, blades have a non-zero thickness.&nbsp; So the Blade Barrier does take more space than an imaginary line on the battle mat.&nbsp; Exactly how much more is subject to debate, of course, but for purposes of my argument any non-zero thickness lets my combination work.As for medium sized creatures taking a single five foot square:&nbsp; I refer you to page 149 of the PHB, in the section on Creature Size.&nbsp; It's pretty specific.&nbsp; And yes, it's also in the SRD.This brings us to the specific rules for squeezing through a smaller space.&nbsp; (Search your SRD for that specific phrase,&quot;squeezing through&quot;, if you need a reference.) The rules for &quot;Squeezing through a smaller space&quot; refer to Escape Artist skill, when the space is less than half your normal space.&nbsp; And if my Blade Barrier does have a non-zero thickness, then the space available between it and the nearest Wall of Force will be less than half a square.&nbsp; There are specific rules for that circumstance as well.&nbsp; In particular they mention, when discussing Evasion, that &quot;As with a Reflex Save for any creature, a character must have room to move in order to Evade.&quot;&nbsp; So, per the rules, there is no Save or Evasion if the person has no room to move.As for the nature of your argument:&nbsp; While complaining about me abusing the &quot;color of the spell&quot;, you argued about &quot;Generally they will be in a fighting crouch with 40&quot; of blade extended in front of them...&quot;.&nbsp; Please tell me that that wasn't a color argument of your own?&nbsp; A reach for some way to say &quot;no&quot;?And it was decidedly *not* a rules argument.&nbsp; (One that, incidentally, presumes that the target is wielding a Bastard Sword. )Now you may choose to rule that blades do have a zero thickness in your game.&nbsp; Kind of flies in the face of, well, pretty much everything, but you could do it.&nbsp; You may choose to rule that a person can &quot;squeeze into a smaller space&quot; and use Escape Artist without ever touching the confining barriers that edge that space.&nbsp; I'd put some really big penalties on that, if I allowed it all.&nbsp; You obviously don't like this combination.&nbsp; Too nasty, too powerful (as in continuous damage and difficult or no Save), too plaid, whatever.&nbsp; But it's a four spell combo requiring a 9th level Arcane spell, a 6th level Clerical spell and two 5th level Arcane spells.&nbsp; It's insanely difficult to pull off and uses top tier spells.&nbsp; It *should* be nasty, powerful and plaid.&nbsp; And it's within the rules.&nbsp; (As a note, there are far easier ways to do this.&nbsp; The OP simply asked about what could be done with Time Stop.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6425217, member: 6669384"] I stand corrected. You're quite right, neither spell is a "Line Effect". The [I]Blade Barrier[/I] doesn't extend damage to adjacent squares. It only affects creatures in the squares it actually occupies. Spells like [I]Wall of Ice[/I] list a definite thickness because it's relevant to the spell: They have a Hardness and a number of hit points per inch of thickness needed to break them. But while [I]Blade Barrier[/I] isn't classified as a "Wall" spell, it is described as a "wall of whirling blades" (as opposed to a "plane"), and the last time I looked, blades have a non-zero thickness. So the [I]Blade Barrier[/I] does take more space than an imaginary line on the battle mat. Exactly how much more is subject to debate, of course, but for purposes of my argument any non-zero thickness lets my combination work. As for medium sized creatures taking a single five foot square: I refer you to page 149 of the PHB, in the section on Creature Size. It's pretty specific. And yes, it's also in the SRD. This brings us to the specific rules for squeezing through a smaller space. (Search your SRD for that specific phrase,"squeezing through", if you need a reference.) The rules for "Squeezing through a smaller space" refer to Escape Artist skill, when the space is less than half your normal space. And if my [I]Blade Barrier[/I] does have a non-zero thickness, then the space available between it and the nearest [I]Wall of Force[/I] will be less than half a square. There are specific rules for that circumstance as well. In particular they mention, when discussing Evasion, that "[B]As with a Reflex Save for any creature[/B], a character must have room to move in order to Evade." So, per the rules, there is no Save or Evasion if the person has no room to move. As for the nature of your argument: While complaining about me abusing the "color of the spell", you argued about "Generally they will be in a fighting crouch with 40" of blade extended in front of them...". Please tell me that that wasn't a color argument of your own? A reach for some way to say "no"? And it was decidedly *not* a rules argument. (One that, incidentally, presumes that the target is wielding a Bastard Sword. ) Now you may choose to rule that blades do have a zero thickness in your game. Kind of flies in the face of, well, pretty much everything, but you could do it. You may choose to rule that a person can "squeeze into a smaller space" and use Escape Artist without ever touching the confining barriers that edge that space. I'd put some really big penalties on that, if I allowed it all. You obviously don't like this combination. Too nasty, too powerful (as in continuous damage and difficult or no Save), too plaid, whatever. But it's a four spell combo requiring a 9th level Arcane spell, a 6th level Clerical spell and two 5th level Arcane spells. It's insanely difficult to pull off and uses top tier spells. It *should* be nasty, powerful and plaid. And it's within the rules. (As a note, there are far easier ways to do this. The OP simply asked about what could be done with [I]Time Stop[/I].) [/QUOTE]

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