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<blockquote data-quote="Tsyr" data-source="post: 1176116" data-attributes="member: 354"><p>You're making a faulty assumption yourself, that being that what WotC thinks about it's own product changes the fundamental reality of what it is. If I get this wild idea that magnets will make you immortal and start selling plastic rings with a magnet in them for 20 dollars a pop, even if I believe it, doesn't change the fundamental fact that i'm selling people a piece of plastic and a tiny magnet that wont add an hour to their life.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just pointing out that you don't have dislike 3.5 to share my view.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So you are saying that they are lying simply to support their income?.</p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><p>Which, of course, is impossible. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> But no, I'm not. I'm saying that they would hope you would buy the product. This isn't lying. I'm pretty darn sure they do hope the product sells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh yes. The age old "You obviously didn't understand me" tactic. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And <em>my</em> point, which, to borrow your attitude, obviously went over your head, is that I don't CARE if they think it's worthwhile or not. That's for me to decide, not them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am neither. I am all for corporations, hate laws that restrict them, and think Microsoft is doing a fine and dandy job, thank you very much. I acknowledge the profit-oriented nature of buisnesses as as a fundamental building block of the capitalist system, a system which I would put my life on the line to defend. </p><p></p><p>I don't think that means I have to blindly accept every attempt by corporations to profit though. I'll still call a spade a spade, thank you very much.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I, sir, have done no such thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I did the only thing anyone can do when two sides of an arguement are presented but I am not privy to the true details: I chose the one that feels more likely to me. As did you. We just happened to choose two different views.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not assume my opinion stands for fact. I do feel I am entitled to express my opinion however, not have to bow to the "3.5 was a Good Thing (TM)" crowd. Now was I slamming anyone. WotC, maybe, a little, but WotC isn't a person. And in any event, as I have said, I understand and accept what WotC was doing. I just don't have to like it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh? Which one? That I assume there were profit-oriented reasons behind 3.5? That's not demonstrably wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have insisted no such thing, and this is about the third time you have tried to tell me what I'm saying. I'd thank you to stop doing that. Everything in my posts is IMO, as I see it, from the information I have. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No I don't. If some of the writers feel, honesty, that 3.5 was a great thing... well, I disagree, but they can have that view. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Once again with the "you must not understand. I'll make this plain: You were complaining about people speaking with a tone of closed opinion. You were doing the same thing when you keep going off, "Youre wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong". </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For once I'll agree that I don't understand you. I've tried twice now to parse this sentance, and I still don't understand what you are trying to say.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Being delicate about this, "the overall market" is basicly the same as "the public at large"... And these are the same people that keep McDonalds and crappy sequal movies profitable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now you are the person who is demonstrably wrong. I am very much pro-capitalism and pro-freemarket.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since I have not spent one red cent in on 3.5 and don't plan to, It wasn't even that.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Tsyr, post: 1176116, member: 354"] You're making a faulty assumption yourself, that being that what WotC thinks about it's own product changes the fundamental reality of what it is. If I get this wild idea that magnets will make you immortal and start selling plastic rings with a magnet in them for 20 dollars a pop, even if I believe it, doesn't change the fundamental fact that i'm selling people a piece of plastic and a tiny magnet that wont add an hour to their life. Just pointing out that you don't have dislike 3.5 to share my view. So you are saying that they are lying simply to support their income?.[/QUOTE] Which, of course, is impossible. :rolleyes: But no, I'm not. I'm saying that they would hope you would buy the product. This isn't lying. I'm pretty darn sure they do hope the product sells. Oh yes. The age old "You obviously didn't understand me" tactic. And [I]my[/I] point, which, to borrow your attitude, obviously went over your head, is that I don't CARE if they think it's worthwhile or not. That's for me to decide, not them. I am neither. I am all for corporations, hate laws that restrict them, and think Microsoft is doing a fine and dandy job, thank you very much. I acknowledge the profit-oriented nature of buisnesses as as a fundamental building block of the capitalist system, a system which I would put my life on the line to defend. I don't think that means I have to blindly accept every attempt by corporations to profit though. I'll still call a spade a spade, thank you very much. I, sir, have done no such thing. No, I did the only thing anyone can do when two sides of an arguement are presented but I am not privy to the true details: I chose the one that feels more likely to me. As did you. We just happened to choose two different views. I do not assume my opinion stands for fact. I do feel I am entitled to express my opinion however, not have to bow to the "3.5 was a Good Thing (TM)" crowd. Now was I slamming anyone. WotC, maybe, a little, but WotC isn't a person. And in any event, as I have said, I understand and accept what WotC was doing. I just don't have to like it. Oh? Which one? That I assume there were profit-oriented reasons behind 3.5? That's not demonstrably wrong. I have insisted no such thing, and this is about the third time you have tried to tell me what I'm saying. I'd thank you to stop doing that. Everything in my posts is IMO, as I see it, from the information I have. No I don't. If some of the writers feel, honesty, that 3.5 was a great thing... well, I disagree, but they can have that view. Once again with the "you must not understand. I'll make this plain: You were complaining about people speaking with a tone of closed opinion. You were doing the same thing when you keep going off, "Youre wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong". For once I'll agree that I don't understand you. I've tried twice now to parse this sentance, and I still don't understand what you are trying to say. Being delicate about this, "the overall market" is basicly the same as "the public at large"... And these are the same people that keep McDonalds and crappy sequal movies profitable. Now you are the person who is demonstrably wrong. I am very much pro-capitalism and pro-freemarket. Since I have not spent one red cent in on 3.5 and don't plan to, It wasn't even that. [/QUOTE]
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