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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7834427" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Bard damage build comes online around level 6.</p><p></p><p>Damage is more like 8d6 or 10d6 then 2 rounds of Eldritch blast. If your using hex/hunters quarry obviously your not</p><p></p><p>That's more damage than a level 10 rogue.</p><p></p><p>And you get all the other bard stuff.</p><p></p><p>The blaster bard is dealing competitive damage with the rogue, is a lot better at range and is still a primary caster and has bard dice and can heal and good at skills.</p><p></p><p>Yeah the Roguevwill win at damage level 1-5 but it's not dropping sleep spells or shatter either.</p><p></p><p>The Rogues the easiest class to replace in the game. Guidance alone is basically better than expertise and you only get 2 skill expertise early on for a whopping +2 on two skills while bard gets 1.</p><p></p><p>So if you replace the rogue with something better at combat with the right background and guidance in the party you're not really missing out on anything.</p><p></p><p>Rogues are better in featless game.</p><p></p><p>Good at skills isnt a strong niche when multiple classes are good at skills and are close enough that a rogues ability isn't that significant. Trickery/knowledge cleric spamming guidance with urchin background.</p><p></p><p>Bounded accuracy as well makes being really good at skills matter less or you mc out of rogue at level 5 or 9.</p><p></p><p>Rogues fun though I like the class but from an optimization view in a typical party would probably prefer something else. </p><p></p><p>A lore bard can easily replace a Rogue or Wizard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7834427, member: 6716779"] Bard damage build comes online around level 6. Damage is more like 8d6 or 10d6 then 2 rounds of Eldritch blast. If your using hex/hunters quarry obviously your not That's more damage than a level 10 rogue. And you get all the other bard stuff. The blaster bard is dealing competitive damage with the rogue, is a lot better at range and is still a primary caster and has bard dice and can heal and good at skills. Yeah the Roguevwill win at damage level 1-5 but it's not dropping sleep spells or shatter either. The Rogues the easiest class to replace in the game. Guidance alone is basically better than expertise and you only get 2 skill expertise early on for a whopping +2 on two skills while bard gets 1. So if you replace the rogue with something better at combat with the right background and guidance in the party you're not really missing out on anything. Rogues are better in featless game. Good at skills isnt a strong niche when multiple classes are good at skills and are close enough that a rogues ability isn't that significant. Trickery/knowledge cleric spamming guidance with urchin background. Bounded accuracy as well makes being really good at skills matter less or you mc out of rogue at level 5 or 9. Rogues fun though I like the class but from an optimization view in a typical party would probably prefer something else. A lore bard can easily replace a Rogue or Wizard. [/QUOTE]
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