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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7834999" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Luckily since it wasn't directed at me I feel no obligation to read it. I was, however, stuck reading this one. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, now instead of some people complaining the cleric was too "support"-oriented, we have the bard--which apparently is all about support. Not an improvement IMO.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The original bard was left in the Appendices though! That should tell you something. Even though left out-of-order, the Monk didn't even rate an appearance in the Appendices despite being thought a powerful class. And Gygax admitted the combination was powerful and left up to the DM do allow it or not (true, now the DM can always do that, but back then a lot of people really played more "by the law of Gygax)"). Also, you followed the path to get the power, you didn't get it from the beginning. It took a lot of dedication to get to be a bard in AD&D.</p><p></p><p>You know a funny thought just occurred to me. I didn't spend long in 3/3.5E (a little less than a year), but even then NO ONE I ever knew played a BARD!!! Not a single player, in any game I was in, ever. And one of the guys in our group was actually a professional musician (french horn and others).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Yawn</em>... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite20" alt=":sleep:" title="Sleep :sleep:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":sleep:" /></p><p></p><p>Sorry, what? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite10" alt=":oops:" title="Oops! :oops:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":oops:" /></p><p></p><p>(j/k)</p><p></p><p>And even though they aren't the best at all the things they <em>can</em> do, they can be pretty awesome at whatever they choose to be good at. Secondary, in their primary choice, is barely secondary from what people are saying given the wide variety of features a bard can potentially acquire.</p><p></p><p>As far as fun goes? Well, everyone likes strange things so I can't judge on that. Heck, I put peanut butter on hot dogs and hamburgers LOL!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose that depends entirely on the game-style and table. I <em>actually</em> thought of challenging our group to an all-bard campaign, just for a while to see what would happen. Response: HARD NO! Other than the one attempt by myself and the dwarven orator-bard which never really happened, no one at our table likes the class really or wants to play it.</p><p></p><p>THAT is another reason why I think it is "Time to remake the bard." <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7834999, member: 6987520"] Luckily since it wasn't directed at me I feel no obligation to read it. I was, however, stuck reading this one. ;) So, now instead of some people complaining the cleric was too "support"-oriented, we have the bard--which apparently is all about support. Not an improvement IMO. The original bard was left in the Appendices though! That should tell you something. Even though left out-of-order, the Monk didn't even rate an appearance in the Appendices despite being thought a powerful class. And Gygax admitted the combination was powerful and left up to the DM do allow it or not (true, now the DM can always do that, but back then a lot of people really played more "by the law of Gygax)"). Also, you followed the path to get the power, you didn't get it from the beginning. It took a lot of dedication to get to be a bard in AD&D. You know a funny thought just occurred to me. I didn't spend long in 3/3.5E (a little less than a year), but even then NO ONE I ever knew played a BARD!!! Not a single player, in any game I was in, ever. And one of the guys in our group was actually a professional musician (french horn and others). [I]Yawn[/I]... :sleep: Sorry, what? :oops: (j/k) And even though they aren't the best at all the things they [I]can[/I] do, they can be pretty awesome at whatever they choose to be good at. Secondary, in their primary choice, is barely secondary from what people are saying given the wide variety of features a bard can potentially acquire. As far as fun goes? Well, everyone likes strange things so I can't judge on that. Heck, I put peanut butter on hot dogs and hamburgers LOL! I suppose that depends entirely on the game-style and table. I [I]actually[/I] thought of challenging our group to an all-bard campaign, just for a while to see what would happen. Response: HARD NO! Other than the one attempt by myself and the dwarven orator-bard which never really happened, no one at our table likes the class really or wants to play it. THAT is another reason why I think it is "Time to remake the bard." :) [/QUOTE]
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