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<blockquote data-quote="Forrester" data-source="post: 329826" data-attributes="member: 1279">Re the first paragraph -- you might be able to work around Discern Lies, but Discern Lies + Detect Magic, or especially Discern Lies + Commune . . . I am highly skeptical <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. Perhaps you want to share your brilliance?&nbsp; Re the second -- I didn't mean to imply that he would be stupid to change his actions based on divination, just that it seems stupid to me to have a big Commune contest where the last person to cast Commune wins. If the PCs cast it last (likely, unless you've been nice enough to give Chumley an 12th level+ cleric as an ally), they'll know. Re the third -- here we have the problem. This &quot;meant to be played&quot; nonsense makes my blood boil. According to you, the game was &quot;meant to be played&quot; with Whirlwind/Cleave/Bag o' Snails. The game was &quot;meant to be played&quot; with Tanglefoot bags that slow Tarrasques to half-speed with a successful ranged touch attack. The game was &quot;meant to be played&quot; with Harm having no save. I mean, listen to yourself! I am not the one saying that every DM should change Commune. YOU are the one agreeing that Loki's DM should be feel obligated to keep all of the spells the way they are!&nbsp; I'm not insisting that it be played differently. You (and your &quot;ilk&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />) are insisting that it be played the same. I'm not urging that it be played differently . . . you are urging that the DM change his campaign to handle Battling Communes and the tactical possibilities of bags of snails. I'm not the gaming fascist here, PC. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Forrester, post: 329826, member: 1279"] Re the first paragraph -- you might be able to work around Discern Lies, but Discern Lies + Detect Magic, or especially Discern Lies + Commune . . . I am highly skeptical :). Perhaps you want to share your brilliance? Re the second -- I didn't mean to imply that he would be stupid to change his actions based on divination, just that it seems stupid to me to have a big Commune contest where the last person to cast Commune wins. If the PCs cast it last (likely, unless you've been nice enough to give Chumley an 12th level+ cleric as an ally), they'll know. Re the third -- here we have the problem. This "meant to be played" nonsense makes my blood boil. According to you, the game was "meant to be played" with Whirlwind/Cleave/Bag o' Snails. The game was "meant to be played" with Tanglefoot bags that slow Tarrasques to half-speed with a successful ranged touch attack. The game was "meant to be played" with Harm having no save. I mean, listen to yourself! I am not the one saying that every DM should change Commune. YOU are the one agreeing that Loki's DM should be feel [B]obligated[/B] to keep all of the spells the way they are! I'm not insisting that it be played differently. You (and your "ilk" :p) are insisting that it be played the same. I'm not urging that it be played differently . . . you are urging that the DM change his campaign to handle Battling Communes and the tactical possibilities of bags of snails. I'm not the gaming fascist here, PC. :D [/QUOTE]

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