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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashtal" data-source="post: 310627" data-attributes="member: 3">When you toss around the phrase 'political correctness' against someone in an arguement, that's exactly what you are implying -that we are saying that because it's expected of us, not that we think it is true and rational.Part of my statements in my last post were directed to the thread in general, as in general advice to people who want to expand their gaming group, preferably to members of the opposite sex,  not to you in particular.  The asking, the no-oogling, that's general advice.  I'm glad you DO ask your female gamers, but I think many of us are trying to make the point that whether or not we are male or female doesn't mean there is a neat dividing line about what we will and won't like.  (51% is hardly a majority since you'll be half wrong ALL the time, so how is that helpful?)   But that by asking, you can find out, instead of merely guessing or anticipating.  Some of your phrasing in your posts suggest more guess-work than ask-work at times.Another thing to consider regarding the 'unpredicability' of women gamers is that many (but not all) come to the game as a newbie surrounded by people who are experienced with several years under their belts.  They know the genre tricks, set-ups, the standard tactics, and so on.  Because the new player is coming in fresh, they are going to be thinking in different ways, seeing different patterns, from the more experienced players.  I've seen this among newbies, male or female, where because they aren't coming to the game with the gamer's mindset, they approach problems and obstacles in all sorts of different ways.But this is one of those discussions where people have their opinions, and no amount of discussion will sway anyone the other way, or to a middle ground.   My only general, to all, advice is to be open minded and ask them - it's the only way you'll know for sure.</blockquote>

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