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<blockquote data-quote="PJ-Mason" data-source="post: 2297183" data-attributes="member: 12285">I haven't seen any OGL games yet where i couldn't tell it was a relative of D&amp;D or D20 games. But they are usually distinctive enough from from D&amp;D and D20 Games (which use most to all of the D&amp;D rules) that they deserve their own category. The fact that many others seem to understand what i mean and use the same categories as i do would indicate that i am not the only one who thinks like that. I don't consider it silly. Ranting at someone who doesn't see things as you do is whats silly.Which ones? All the ones i've seen or own seem to have generally the same basic charactistics, the stats, the skills, and saves. Though i hear Castles &amp; Crusades doesn't have skills. Haven't seen that one yet. I don't know if we'll ever see an OGL thats completely alien to D&amp;D/D20 games, since accepting the license and not using any of the benefits would be a very strange choice. When you say D&amp;D - you know what you are getting.When you say D20 - people know that it is going to be pretty much D&amp;D in another genre. Or the same genre, with maybe some minor alterations to fit the setting. Like Midnight or star wars.Saying OGL game instead of D20 - Lets people know (if they know of the OGL) that they may well be dealing with some radical changes to the D20 system, but that they will probably recognize some of it. Its perfectly legitimate label and helpful to a lot of people.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PJ-Mason, post: 2297183, member: 12285"] I haven't seen any OGL games yet where i couldn't tell it was a relative of D&D or D20 games. But they are usually distinctive enough from from D&D and D20 Games (which use most to all of the D&D rules) that they deserve their own category. The fact that many others seem to understand what i mean and use the same categories as i do would indicate that i am not the only one who thinks like that. I don't consider it silly. [B]Ranting[/B] at someone who doesn't see things as you do is whats silly. Which ones? All the ones i've seen or own seem to have generally the same basic charactistics, the stats, the skills, and saves. Though i hear Castles & Crusades doesn't have skills. Haven't seen that one yet. I don't know if we'll ever see an OGL thats completely alien to D&D/D20 games, since accepting the license and not using any of the benefits would be a very strange choice. When you say D&D - you know what you are getting. When you say D20 - people know that it is going to be pretty much D&D in another genre. Or the same genre, with maybe some minor alterations to fit the setting. Like Midnight or star wars. Saying OGL game instead of D20 - Lets people know (if they know of the OGL) that they may well be dealing with some radical changes to the D20 system, but that they will probably recognize some of it. Its perfectly legitimate label and helpful to a lot of people. [/QUOTE]

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