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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 6652697" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>Umm, really? You're really skewing numbers here. I gave you one year with 26 products. I think we could take almost any year from 1989 to 2011 and find 20-30 products produced, or at least an average of 20+. </p><p></p><p>And again, I said 8-10 total products. That includes everything. Again, I haven't checked every year but my guess is that is 25-40% of the yearly output from the 1989-2011 range, or roughly one-third. But it doesn't even have to be 8-10 - that was just one possibility. How about 5-8? Something more than 2.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, it could require more staff than what WotC currently has. But again, I'm not talking about a hardcover tome every month - you're skewing or ignoring what I actually said. In the original post I said one big splat per year, the two story arcs per year, one classic setting per year, and new setting book or two a year with a couple one-shot adventures to bring it alive, and then Dungeon magazine and maybe the occasional surprise product. That's hardly a massive product load for the biggest TTRPG in the world and far less than 2E to 4E days, or Pathfinder for that matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is where you are skewing things. I'm not saying going form 8K to 4K calories per day, but from 8K to 2-3K per day. Even mathematically, I'm not saying half, I'm saying about one-third. </p><p></p><p>Assuming they really stick to only two story arcs per year, what they've done is gone from 8K to 1K - which is starvation mode. Too much food leads to obesity, but too little leads to starvation. I'm saying, why so extreme? Why not go for a trime but nutritious product schedule? One-third of 8K just happens to be a healthy diet.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No one "needs" anything except for perhaps the core rulebooks, dice, and imagination. It isn't about need. It is about enjoying and wanting a product. But it IS also about providing content to HELP people with busy schedules, like settings and adventures. That might not be "need" but it sure is "really could help." I can speak for myself, but I've heard this from tons of people: I never use pre-published settings and rarely use big story arcs, but I do like using one-shot adventures and mining setting products etc for ideas. But I'm a busy person with a family and job and don't have the time I had when I was in high school or college, so pre-published materials really help.</p><p></p><p>Also, the game at my or your table can't be killed by whatever WotC does. That is hyperbole.</p><p></p><p>Anyhow, I hope that this is a moot point and WotC "sees the light" and at least starts producing 2-3 non-story arc books per year. Again, it doesn't have to be either/or. There is a lot of room between 2 products a year and 30 products a year. If you think about it, what I am suggesting is much more towards the light side - more like 1E - than what you're rallying against. But I'm not attached to a specific number, I just want to see more than 2 story arcs per year. WotC may or may not do this, but we just don't know anything.</p><p></p><p>But here's a question: Why the crusade against people wanting more than 2 story arcs per year? And can you answer that without skewing what I am saying and rallying against 2E/3E/4E-style glut?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 6652697, member: 59082"] Umm, really? You're really skewing numbers here. I gave you one year with 26 products. I think we could take almost any year from 1989 to 2011 and find 20-30 products produced, or at least an average of 20+. And again, I said 8-10 total products. That includes everything. Again, I haven't checked every year but my guess is that is 25-40% of the yearly output from the 1989-2011 range, or roughly one-third. But it doesn't even have to be 8-10 - that was just one possibility. How about 5-8? Something more than 2. Yes, it could require more staff than what WotC currently has. But again, I'm not talking about a hardcover tome every month - you're skewing or ignoring what I actually said. In the original post I said one big splat per year, the two story arcs per year, one classic setting per year, and new setting book or two a year with a couple one-shot adventures to bring it alive, and then Dungeon magazine and maybe the occasional surprise product. That's hardly a massive product load for the biggest TTRPG in the world and far less than 2E to 4E days, or Pathfinder for that matter. This is where you are skewing things. I'm not saying going form 8K to 4K calories per day, but from 8K to 2-3K per day. Even mathematically, I'm not saying half, I'm saying about one-third. Assuming they really stick to only two story arcs per year, what they've done is gone from 8K to 1K - which is starvation mode. Too much food leads to obesity, but too little leads to starvation. I'm saying, why so extreme? Why not go for a trime but nutritious product schedule? One-third of 8K just happens to be a healthy diet. No one "needs" anything except for perhaps the core rulebooks, dice, and imagination. It isn't about need. It is about enjoying and wanting a product. But it IS also about providing content to HELP people with busy schedules, like settings and adventures. That might not be "need" but it sure is "really could help." I can speak for myself, but I've heard this from tons of people: I never use pre-published settings and rarely use big story arcs, but I do like using one-shot adventures and mining setting products etc for ideas. But I'm a busy person with a family and job and don't have the time I had when I was in high school or college, so pre-published materials really help. Also, the game at my or your table can't be killed by whatever WotC does. That is hyperbole. Anyhow, I hope that this is a moot point and WotC "sees the light" and at least starts producing 2-3 non-story arc books per year. Again, it doesn't have to be either/or. There is a lot of room between 2 products a year and 30 products a year. If you think about it, what I am suggesting is much more towards the light side - more like 1E - than what you're rallying against. But I'm not attached to a specific number, I just want to see more than 2 story arcs per year. WotC may or may not do this, but we just don't know anything. But here's a question: Why the crusade against people wanting more than 2 story arcs per year? And can you answer that without skewing what I am saying and rallying against 2E/3E/4E-style glut? [/QUOTE]
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