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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrem Bayle" data-source="post: 4153843" data-attributes="member: 3103">You mentioned that this was "Red Hand of Doom". Which encounter was it? If you refer to the "Bell Tower" encounter (p.59), then the encounter is supposed to be with three hobgoblin veterans with 20 hit points each. Not exactly a description I would associate with 'mook'. I don't know for sure. I wasn't DMing.But the point wasn't that he failed to kill the hobgoblin. It was the realization that he couldn't have killed him in one hit, no matter what.It wasn't that he didn't succeed in doing what he was trying to do, but that it was IMPOSSIBLE to do what he was trying to do.Quote:Alternately, in D&D the Fighter uses his AoO to Trip the hobgoblin, and the Wizard casts his spell. How is that any different?  Well, for one it can't be done. #1. You can't trip as an AoO, which is defined as a single melee attack.#2. You can't trip with a sword.also...#3. Trip will be a special maneuver in 4e, and apparently not available to everyone.Which is another gamist D&Dism that irks me.</blockquote>