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<blockquote data-quote="Azgulor" data-source="post: 4154195" data-attributes="member: 14291">Except defining a guard as a mook is just another form of DM fiat.&nbsp; Mook rules certainly support certain styles of play, but they aren't suitable to all styles of play.D20 &amp; OGL variants have handled the issue in a variety of ways, typically through a lowering of the Massive Damage Threshold.D&amp;D models superheroic fantasy and is effectively its own genre of fantasy.&nbsp; And it works for that genre.When people were critical of not being able to run certain styles of games, I seem to recall countless cries of &quot;find another game - that ain't D&amp;D&quot;, &quot;D&amp;D supports cinematic play&quot;, &quot;D&amp;D isn't simulationist&quot;, etc., etc.&nbsp; Someone posts that they agree with that sentiment and that there is room for multiple games in someone's library and at someone's gaming table and what do we get?&nbsp; Six pages of people arguing how D&amp;D supports a genre and play style it's not designed to emulate.&nbsp; 4e is good for some people.3.x is good for some people.GURPS is good for some people.(Now sit down for this one...)There may, just possibly, be overlap amongst the groups!&nbsp; Holy crap, someone might play all 3 games!?!The announcement of 4e D&amp;D sucks if for no other reason than it's impossible to discuss RPGs in this forum without it devolving into system/edition wars of one form or another.Bleh.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Azgulor, post: 4154195, member: 14291"] Except defining a guard as a mook is just another form of DM fiat. Mook rules certainly support certain styles of play, but they aren't suitable to all styles of play. D20 & OGL variants have handled the issue in a variety of ways, typically through a lowering of the Massive Damage Threshold. D&D models superheroic fantasy and is effectively its own genre of fantasy. And it works for that genre. When people were critical of not being able to run certain styles of games, I seem to recall countless cries of "find another game - that ain't D&D", "D&D supports cinematic play", "D&D isn't simulationist", etc., etc. Someone posts that they agree with that sentiment and that there is room for multiple games in someone's library and at someone's gaming table and what do we get? Six pages of people arguing how D&D supports a genre and play style it's not designed to emulate. 4e is good for some people. 3.x is good for some people. GURPS is good for some people. (Now sit down for this one...) There may, just possibly, be overlap amongst the groups! Holy crap, someone might play all 3 games!?! The [I]announcement[/I] of 4e D&D sucks if for no other reason than it's impossible to discuss RPGs in this forum without it devolving into system/edition wars of one form or another. Bleh. [/QUOTE]

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