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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 259893" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hello all! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Speaking as someone who roleplayed a character from 3rd-level to 117th, fairly - though requiring many years to do so. I think I must be one of the few here qualified to say that it can be done (Edena probably the only other in this thread?).</p><p></p><p>One thing that should be addressed is that Epic Levelling (3rd Ed.) is much slower than previous editions. Simply because the XP tables for previous editions 'bottomed off' at about 10th-level.</p><p></p><p>So the XP needed for 10th to 11th was the same as the XP needed for 30th to 31st but obviously the encounters had to be more challenging to facilitate higher levels of play - <em>vis a vis</em> more XP and by extension quicker levelling. In short, the higher you ascended the faster levelling became.</p><p></p><p>With the advent of Challenge Ratings in 3rd Ed. this is no longer the case.</p><p></p><p>I presume the ELH has no conversion method for previous editions? So we are left with the brief Conversion Manual that was available at the introduction of 3rd Ed.</p><p></p><p>However, a 100th-level character in 3rd Ed. is much more powerful than such a character in previous editions. So it is probably a wise move to reduce even single class characters in the process.</p><p></p><p>To which I proffer:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red">Character Class (type)</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">Experience tables from previous incarnations were not equal. To compensate for these facts multiply the levels as follows.</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">Clerics Levels above 9th: x0.6 </span></p><p><span style="color: red">Druids Levels above 13th: (14th) x2; (15th) x4</span></p><p><span style="color: red"> Levels above 16th: x1.33</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Fighters Levels above 9th: x0.66</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Paladins/Rangers Levels above 9th: x0.8</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Rogues/Bards Levels above 11th: x0.58</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Wizards Levels same </span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">eg. (former) 25th-level Cleric</span></p><p><span style="color: red">16 levels above 9th x0.6 = 9.6 (round down, although that would mean the character has 60% XP in their current level already).</span></p><p><span style="color: red">9 + 9 = (now) 18th-level Cleric</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">eg. (former) 30th-level Paladin</span></p><p><span style="color: red">21 levels above 9th x0.8 = 16.8</span></p><p><span style="color: red">9 + 16 = (now) 25th-level Paladin</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">eg. (former) 19th-level Druid</span></p><p><span style="color: red">6 levels above 13th. Level 14 = +2, Level 15 = +4, remaining Levels 4 (16-19) x1.33 = 5.32 </span></p><p><span style="color: red">13 + 2 + 4 + 5.32 = (now) 24th-level Druid</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">Number of Different Classes</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">First Class Levels same</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Second Class Levels x0.8</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Third Class Levels x0.6</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Fourth Class Levels x0.4</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Fifth Class Levels x0.2</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">eg. (former) 62nd-level Cavalier/28th-level Cleric/27th-level Wizard</span></p><p><span style="color: red">First Class</span></p><p><span style="color: red">53 Cavalier Levels above 9th x 0.8 = 42.4</span></p><p><span style="color: red">9 + 42 = 51st-level Cavalier</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Second Class</span></p><p><span style="color: red">19 Cleric Levels above 9th x 0.6 = 11.4</span></p><p><span style="color: red">9 + 11 = 20 (second class) x 0.8 = 16th-level Cleric</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Third Class</span></p><p><span style="color: red">27 Wizard Levels remain same</span></p><p><span style="color: red">27 (third class) x 0.6 = 16th-level Wizard</span></p><p><span style="color: red">Total: 83 levels</span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red">The total class levels can then be distributed amongst the classes at the players discretion. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 259893, member: 326"] Hello all! :) Speaking as someone who roleplayed a character from 3rd-level to 117th, fairly - though requiring many years to do so. I think I must be one of the few here qualified to say that it can be done (Edena probably the only other in this thread?). One thing that should be addressed is that Epic Levelling (3rd Ed.) is much slower than previous editions. Simply because the XP tables for previous editions 'bottomed off' at about 10th-level. So the XP needed for 10th to 11th was the same as the XP needed for 30th to 31st but obviously the encounters had to be more challenging to facilitate higher levels of play - [i]vis a vis[/i] more XP and by extension quicker levelling. In short, the higher you ascended the faster levelling became. With the advent of Challenge Ratings in 3rd Ed. this is no longer the case. I presume the ELH has no conversion method for previous editions? So we are left with the brief Conversion Manual that was available at the introduction of 3rd Ed. However, a 100th-level character in 3rd Ed. is much more powerful than such a character in previous editions. So it is probably a wise move to reduce even single class characters in the process. To which I proffer: [COLOR=red]Character Class (type) Experience tables from previous incarnations were not equal. To compensate for these facts multiply the levels as follows. Clerics Levels above 9th: x0.6 Druids Levels above 13th: (14th) x2; (15th) x4 Levels above 16th: x1.33 Fighters Levels above 9th: x0.66 Paladins/Rangers Levels above 9th: x0.8 Rogues/Bards Levels above 11th: x0.58 Wizards Levels same eg. (former) 25th-level Cleric 16 levels above 9th x0.6 = 9.6 (round down, although that would mean the character has 60% XP in their current level already). 9 + 9 = (now) 18th-level Cleric eg. (former) 30th-level Paladin 21 levels above 9th x0.8 = 16.8 9 + 16 = (now) 25th-level Paladin eg. (former) 19th-level Druid 6 levels above 13th. Level 14 = +2, Level 15 = +4, remaining Levels 4 (16-19) x1.33 = 5.32 13 + 2 + 4 + 5.32 = (now) 24th-level Druid Number of Different Classes First Class Levels same Second Class Levels x0.8 Third Class Levels x0.6 Fourth Class Levels x0.4 Fifth Class Levels x0.2 eg. (former) 62nd-level Cavalier/28th-level Cleric/27th-level Wizard First Class 53 Cavalier Levels above 9th x 0.8 = 42.4 9 + 42 = 51st-level Cavalier Second Class 19 Cleric Levels above 9th x 0.6 = 11.4 9 + 11 = 20 (second class) x 0.8 = 16th-level Cleric Third Class 27 Wizard Levels remain same 27 (third class) x 0.6 = 16th-level Wizard Total: 83 levels The total class levels can then be distributed amongst the classes at the players discretion. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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