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<blockquote data-quote="Hammerhead" data-source="post: 258682" data-attributes="member: 73">Well, I warned people what was possible, and that some it should be expected.&nbsp; I mean, if the group wizard uses Imp Invis all the time, then why shouldn't other people use it?&nbsp; No one seems to be saying that the wizard shouldn't use Imp invis, flight or haste.&nbsp; Well, if classes were balanced with a no magic items assumption, then I'm sure people would complain that X class, once give a magic weapon or whatever, would be too powerful.I don't think it's so much that multiple encounters have to take place to prevent a wizard from going wild with spells as that the THREAT of multiple encounters has to exist.&nbsp; A wizard probably won't completely unload if he thinks that someone else might attack him, and he can't switch completely to info gathering since that would leave him defenseless if someone picked that time to attack.&nbsp; I know that if I wanted to beat a high level wizard, I'd wait for him to unload some poor bastard, and then be waiting for him.&nbsp; With his contingencies triggered, and his best magics used, he'd be a relatively easy target.&nbsp; While the fighter doesn't have a (hopefully) loyal group wizard to help him, I think it would be unreasonable to assume that he's never worked for spellcasters.&nbsp; The fighter is alone, so he's not in a position of power, and high level, so he's very experienced.&nbsp; So he's probably some sort of mercenary or adventurer type.&nbsp; Since item creation takes awhile, and leaves a solitary wizard very vulnerable, he'd probably take a guard.&nbsp; So the fighter asks for a magical item in payment, probably one that would also help him guard the mage.&nbsp; Maybe he finds one of the items he that would help, or has it made for another reason.&nbsp; Heck, the fighter might even be a dragon slayer looking to handle the full grown, spellcasting dragons.&nbsp; Finally, he could probably find a church willing to make a few items.&nbsp; Maybe he asks the church of the sky god to construct a flying item for him.&nbsp; Of course, a fully equiped wizard slaying fighter would probably be pretty rare, even among high level fighters.&nbsp; Most probably wouldn't be able to get the items if they wanted too, and I'd imagine that a wizard slayer doesn't have a lifespan much longer than a dragon slayer.But, most of time, the fighter would be screwed, especially since the mage will more than likely have the ability to control the terms of the battle.&nbsp; I'm just pointing out that it's not impossible.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hammerhead, post: 258682, member: 73"] Well, I warned people what was possible, and that some it should be expected. I mean, if the group wizard uses Imp Invis all the time, then why shouldn't other people use it? No one seems to be saying that the wizard shouldn't use Imp invis, flight or haste. Well, if classes were balanced with a no magic items assumption, then I'm sure people would complain that X class, once give a magic weapon or whatever, would be too powerful. I don't think it's so much that multiple encounters have to take place to prevent a wizard from going wild with spells as that the THREAT of multiple encounters has to exist. A wizard probably won't completely unload if he thinks that someone else might attack him, and he can't switch completely to info gathering since that would leave him defenseless if someone picked that time to attack. I know that if I wanted to beat a high level wizard, I'd wait for him to unload some poor bastard, and then be waiting for him. With his contingencies triggered, and his best magics used, he'd be a relatively easy target. While the fighter doesn't have a (hopefully) loyal group wizard to help him, I think it would be unreasonable to assume that he's never worked for spellcasters. The fighter is alone, so he's not in a position of power, and high level, so he's very experienced. So he's probably some sort of mercenary or adventurer type. Since item creation takes awhile, and leaves a solitary wizard very vulnerable, he'd probably take a guard. So the fighter asks for a magical item in payment, probably one that would also help him guard the mage. Maybe he finds one of the items he that would help, or has it made for another reason. Heck, the fighter might even be a dragon slayer looking to handle the full grown, spellcasting dragons. Finally, he could probably find a church willing to make a few items. Maybe he asks the church of the sky god to construct a flying item for him. Of course, a fully equiped wizard slaying fighter would probably be pretty rare, even among high level fighters. Most probably wouldn't be able to get the items if they wanted too, and I'd imagine that a wizard slayer doesn't have a lifespan much longer than a dragon slayer. But, most of time, the fighter would be screwed, especially since the mage will more than likely have the ability to control the terms of the battle. I'm just pointing out that it's not impossible. [/QUOTE]

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