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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9651656" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>Thank you for your thoughts [USER=6906980]@AlViking[/USER] they are much appreciated.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://iadndmn.neocities.org/CRcalc" target="_blank">2014 Monster CR Calculator</a></p><p>Just be aware this is specifically from the 2014 DMG monster creation guidelines. Also, if you are making a monster below CR 1 there are issue with the calculations.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As I noted in the OP, this is specifically for a group of 4 PCs at lvl 18. If you have more PCs and you want the same challenge, then you need to up the CR. Any easy to do that is give it more reactions (or legendary actions) as you noted. However, that is not what I am investigating. This is specifically for the baseline assumption of 4 v 1.</p><p></p><p>For reference, per the 2024 DMG a CR 24 dragon is a threat for the following # and level of PCs:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">3 PCs @ level 20</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">4 PCs @ level 18-19</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">5 PCs @ level 17-18</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">6 PCs @ level 16-17</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">8 PCs@ level 14-15</li> </ul><p>I wouldn't use this dragon on groups lower than level 14 probably. If I want a solo monster to be a serious 50/50 fight for my PCs (5-6 @ level 17 ) I make its CR their level + 10. So slightly tougher than the DMG calculator.</p><p></p><p></p><p>A Spawn of Tiamat is a mythic trait it is supposed to be 1/rest per normal (see below). I just forgot to put it in there. I will get that added.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]404463[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Legendary Resistance is important, I just don't think it is worth 120 hit points. The dragon has good saves, so it is going to make a lot to begin with. Those it doesn't save against it has <strong><em>Draconic Resilience </em></strong>to keep it going. I am honestly not sure which is more effective for most groups. My PCs do not have a lot of conditions they can apply (only one magic user in the group), so I don't come across them a lot.</p><p></p><p>I do think it is relevant that the legendary dragon only has 4 uses of LR, while the non-legendary version has unlimited uses of <strong><em>Draconic Resilience</em></strong>.</p><p></p><p>Thank you taking the time and your thoughts. That is the whole point of putting this out. Also, just wanted to remind you that this is intended to be a threat for lvl 20 PCs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 9651656, member: 83242"] Thank you for your thoughts [USER=6906980]@AlViking[/USER] they are much appreciated. [URL='https://iadndmn.neocities.org/CRcalc']2014 Monster CR Calculator[/URL] Just be aware this is specifically from the 2014 DMG monster creation guidelines. Also, if you are making a monster below CR 1 there are issue with the calculations. As I noted in the OP, this is specifically for a group of 4 PCs at lvl 18. If you have more PCs and you want the same challenge, then you need to up the CR. Any easy to do that is give it more reactions (or legendary actions) as you noted. However, that is not what I am investigating. This is specifically for the baseline assumption of 4 v 1. For reference, per the 2024 DMG a CR 24 dragon is a threat for the following # and level of PCs: [LIST] [*]3 PCs @ level 20 [*]4 PCs @ level 18-19 [*]5 PCs @ level 17-18 [*]6 PCs @ level 16-17 [*]8 PCs@ level 14-15 [/LIST] I wouldn't use this dragon on groups lower than level 14 probably. If I want a solo monster to be a serious 50/50 fight for my PCs (5-6 @ level 17 ) I make its CR their level + 10. So slightly tougher than the DMG calculator. A Spawn of Tiamat is a mythic trait it is supposed to be 1/rest per normal (see below). I just forgot to put it in there. I will get that added. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1746384559538.png"]404463[/ATTACH] Legendary Resistance is important, I just don't think it is worth 120 hit points. The dragon has good saves, so it is going to make a lot to begin with. Those it doesn't save against it has [B][I]Draconic Resilience [/I][/B]to keep it going. I am honestly not sure which is more effective for most groups. My PCs do not have a lot of conditions they can apply (only one magic user in the group), so I don't come across them a lot. I do think it is relevant that the legendary dragon only has 4 uses of LR, while the non-legendary version has unlimited uses of [B][I]Draconic Resilience[/I][/B]. Thank you taking the time and your thoughts. That is the whole point of putting this out. Also, just wanted to remind you that this is intended to be a threat for lvl 20 PCs. [/QUOTE]
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