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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nyaricus" data-source="post: 2759190" data-attributes="member: 35678">hey BoD, sorry about the long abscene . . . i subscribed to this thread and figeured i'd get a little more feedback then this (this being just you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) but hey, that's cool . . . Anyways, for the last meet he was a lot better. I talked with his ex best friend (who is playing with us, no hurt feeling between the two) and he says that this problem players main problem is that he says he wants to lead, but never goes through with it (ie "come on guys, lets get going" [in game, which gets annoying after the umpteenth time when he is interupting someone elses turn] or "hey guys, next D&D meet, lets ONLY talk in character, no out of game talk" [at school, when he is the main origin of out of game talk]) and he refuses to follow.The thing is, he took more of a back seat this last meet and allowed others to shine - rather than block out their potential with his voice. And, on top of that, no throwing crap at the DM [and i haev been informed, well, correct rather that it was a glowstick, not a highlighter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />]. The aformention ex-best-friend said he was surprized in his improvement over the course of 3 meets. Anyways, i will respond to you other inquiries:talked to him, and he is showingt improvement. Much less sulking and brash talk, and more getting-in-character, which was altogether satisfactory <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Checkmark. I completely agree with this, and I make sure that i stay impartial. Liek i said, i had a big frown on my face, but i kept the game going - and eventually it was all but forgotten (to the other players).He is changing. But it depends on how much. He is slowly getting more mature, and it helps that the 7 other players and myself are telling him to do so. Even at school he has been better, which is good. I can only hope this stays this way <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I wouldn't lose more than the troublemaker over this - despite his ties to others in the group out of game. They realise that he is being disruptive, adn they know that D&D isn't the only place they could see him - although for us, Saturday night is the night <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />Did that. Most would mind, but i am getting feedback that he is improving - that's what i felt as well, adn why i hesitated booting him in the first place. I am just wondering if it is worth all the "extra-curricular" work and all.i'd say most of the guys are having fun. It's harder with larger groups, for sure. We have two uber-noobs who are a bit quiter than the rest which i am concerned about and to whom i stress to read about the character options they have for their characters. Those fellow both play fighter-types (swashbuckler and ranger) but overall haven't done much in the battales we have had. They are both slowly getting thourhg the combat chapter and hopefully that will help them with their characters. I just hope that they can blossom into good RPers as they are both good guys out of game. For the troublemaker, he is impatient and i think that doesn't help. I and the majority of the players (mainly, the experienced ones, of which he is part of) are trying to tell a story. He is just trying to start crap. Hopefully there will be a place where we can break even in this.*****In conclusion, he is staying more on topic, playing more in character, and is being . . .quieter, which is good - and yet he still isn't going on all cylenders. Also, he can easily revert back to being the class clown/troublemaker pronblem player. D&D is off this weekend, so i shall ahve to wait a whole week from this upcoming saturday to se what heppens with him. Any more coments? Or Need help with a problem player of you own?</blockquote>

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