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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7595128" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't understand the contrast you're drawing between flavour and crunch.Is the fact that the orcs might get to my horse before I can flavour or cruch in your terminology?Similarly I don't understand the contrast you're drawing between information and flavour.I don't see the pleasure of RPGing being performance for an audience.An analogy would be conversation. Generally I don't see conversation as a performance in the artistic/thespian sense; and the relation between interlocutors in conversation isn't one I see as performer and audience. Of course there are modes of &quot;conversation&quot; which do have the performer/audience structure, but I associate these with a certain sort of upper-middle class status game-playing rather than sincere conversation.NPCs are interesting because of the framing of the situation. Why do I care about my PC's mother's parentage? Because I wrote my mother in to my backstory; and now the GM is putting that element of the fiction under pressure.There can be narration without performance in the artistic sense: again, think of telling your coworkers how you spent your long weekend.I talked about me having an emotion. That I had in common with my character (in a certain fashion - there's an element of metaphor or isomorphism rather than literality here, although I think it's quite complicated to unpack).I don't undestand what you're pointing to here. As I just reiterated, I am talking about the player having an emotion, in virtue of the situation in which s/he has to choose for his/her PC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7595128, member: 42582"] I don't understand the contrast you're drawing between [I]flavour[/I] and [I]crunch[/I]. Is the fact that the orcs might get to my horse before I can [I]flavour[/I] or [I]cruch[/I] in your terminology? Similarly I don't understand the contrast you're drawing between [I]information[/I] and [I]flavour[/I]. I don't see the pleasure of RPGing being [I]performance[/I] for an [I]audience[/I]. An analogy would be conversation. Generally I don't see conversation as a [I]performance [/I]in the artistic/thespian sense; and the relation between interlocutors in conversation isn't one I see as performer and audience. Of course there are modes of "conversation" which do have the performer/audience structure, but I associate these with a certain sort of upper-middle class status game-playing rather than sincere conversation. NPCs are interesting because of the framing of the situation. Why do I care about my PC's mother's parentage? Because I wrote my mother in to my backstory; and now the GM is putting that element of the fiction under pressure. There can be narration without performance in the artistic sense: again, think of telling your coworkers how you spent your long weekend. I talked about [I]me[/I] having an emotion. That I had in common with my character (in a certain fashion - there's an element of metaphor or isomorphism rather than literality here, although I think it's quite complicated to unpack). I don't undestand what you're pointing to here. As I just reiterated, I am talking about the [I]player[/I] having an emotion, in virtue of the situation in which s/he has to choose for his/her PC. [/QUOTE]

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