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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kail" data-source="post: 582169" data-attributes="member: 8851">zdanboy,  Greetings, don't know how much history I can provide, but what I know comes from my contact in chinese arts and current instructor.  Hun Gar, if I am recalling this right, originated from the tirger and crane animal forms, combine the power and agressive attacks and subtle and deceptive movements of each form into one fighting style.  Its supposed to be really good stuff, a search of the net should turn up plenty of sites and from those you can most likely find some really solid history.  The "hands on" part of MT, if its solid and real, will be in the ring, on the mat sparring and working the heavy bags.  You won't see much in the way of forms training and shadow boxing is most likely the only thing you will run into that doesn't involve hitting something when throwing a strike.  Its tough and will test you physically and mentally by pushing you to your aboslute limits and then just a bit more if you let it.  It may be competion oriented, but learning to throw hard hits and recieve them is always good for self-defense, and altering a knee or kick to target the groin is not that hard.   Hun Gar has its ups as well.  Its an art you will be able to train in for a life time.  Between forms, which can be broken down into application for fights with a good instructor, solo sets, I believe they do wooden dummy training as well, you have a full work out that will keep you in it for a long time.  The techniques you learn will be applicable in a self-defense situation, but will need time and dedication to learn to apply them.  Just putting in the hours at class will not be enough, training on your own is a must.     Myself, I would focus on Hun Gar and work out with the Mui Tai when time allowed to get a bit of getting knocked around full out.  Getting your cage rattled now and then is good for you, kinda tests your mettle.  I don't know if what I've writen helps you and your friend decide at all, but I hope you both train a long time, treat that training right and enjoy every second of it.Kail</blockquote>

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