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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6786872" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Well, yes it would, because now I'm being deprived of an interesting experience that I want to have. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Having seen far too many of these kinds of threads where people's experience is so far out of whack with the math that would be needed to achieve that experience, no, I'll go with the math thanks.</p><p></p><p>How is it "fair"? How is over ruling the dice, in order to get a result you happen to like, rather than one the player might want, fair? How is it punishing anyone to obey the rules of the game?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you honestly think that people's anecdotal evidence is anything other than confirmation bias? I don't. I recently had this out with my current group. I swore, up and down, that my character was doing far, far less damage than every other character in the group. I was told, in no uncertain terms that I was wrong and that they didn't see it at all. Then I actually tracked the damage for a session and, lo and behold, my character was doing less than HALF the damage of the next highest character, who was dealing a bit more than half the damage of the highest damage character. I was doing about 1/3 the damage of the highest damage characters.</p><p></p><p>It wasn't until I could actually show the numbers that I could break through the confirmation bias in the group. That was SIX other people at the same table as me, all telling me that I was flat out wrong, despite me showing the math beforehand. I showed, pretty darn clearly, that I was doing far less than the other characters, but, it wasn't until I could actually report the empirical evidence that people would give up their own anecdotal views.</p><p></p><p>So, no, I don't believe anecdotal evidence over math. No one should. Back of the envelope calculations are often far, far more accurate than what someone "sees" at the table.</p><p></p><p>If the math says that the number of times that someone needs to actually step in and "correct" the dice is statistically irrelevant, I trust that much more than someone's claim that they "know" better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6786872, member: 22779"] Well, yes it would, because now I'm being deprived of an interesting experience that I want to have. Having seen far too many of these kinds of threads where people's experience is so far out of whack with the math that would be needed to achieve that experience, no, I'll go with the math thanks. How is it "fair"? How is over ruling the dice, in order to get a result you happen to like, rather than one the player might want, fair? How is it punishing anyone to obey the rules of the game? Do you honestly think that people's anecdotal evidence is anything other than confirmation bias? I don't. I recently had this out with my current group. I swore, up and down, that my character was doing far, far less damage than every other character in the group. I was told, in no uncertain terms that I was wrong and that they didn't see it at all. Then I actually tracked the damage for a session and, lo and behold, my character was doing less than HALF the damage of the next highest character, who was dealing a bit more than half the damage of the highest damage character. I was doing about 1/3 the damage of the highest damage characters. It wasn't until I could actually show the numbers that I could break through the confirmation bias in the group. That was SIX other people at the same table as me, all telling me that I was flat out wrong, despite me showing the math beforehand. I showed, pretty darn clearly, that I was doing far less than the other characters, but, it wasn't until I could actually report the empirical evidence that people would give up their own anecdotal views. So, no, I don't believe anecdotal evidence over math. No one should. Back of the envelope calculations are often far, far more accurate than what someone "sees" at the table. If the math says that the number of times that someone needs to actually step in and "correct" the dice is statistically irrelevant, I trust that much more than someone's claim that they "know" better. [/QUOTE]
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