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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6787558" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Uhm...As I recall--and please correct me if I'm wrong--you had entered the conversation in order to provide a practical example of what Imaculata had spoken of. Since you are now saying that that is not the case, is it any wonder that your situation is significantly different from the one I was trying to quantify?If we are making &quot;fudging&quot; definitionally meta-fictional, then I may always be opposed to it. Players can't know it's happening (because that's part of the premise for the &quot;turning a crit into a normal hit&quot; or &quot;adding HP to a monster that hasn't triggered its trap card yet&quot;), but it warps the results of their choices. Whether it is used for or against them, it corrupts the player's information--they are making decisions based on data that is not only false, but which they could not, even in principle, know was false. This will, inevitably, lead to making mistaken choices--either in the moment (wrong choices from wrong data), or in the long term (treating a pattern as though it is real, when it is ephemeral, dependent purely on DM whim for good or for ill).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6787558, member: 6790260"] Uhm... As I recall--and please correct me if I'm wrong--you had entered the conversation in order to provide a practical example of what Imaculata had spoken of. Since you are now saying that that is [I]not[/I] the case, is it any wonder that your situation is significantly different from the one I was trying to quantify? If we are making "fudging" [I]definitionally[/I] meta-fictional, then I may always be opposed to it. Players can't know it's happening (because that's part of the premise for the "turning a crit into a normal hit" or "adding HP to a monster that hasn't triggered its trap card yet"), but it warps the results of their choices. Whether it is used for or against them, it corrupts the player's information--they are making decisions based on data that is not only false, but which they could not, even in principle, [I]know[/I] was false. This will, inevitably, lead to making mistaken choices--either in the moment (wrong choices from wrong data), or in the long term (treating a pattern as though it is real, when it is ephemeral, dependent purely on DM whim for good or for ill). [/QUOTE]

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