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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6801825" data-attributes="member: 23751">You're fighting a monster that I have written down as AC 15 and 80 hit points.&nbsp; You roll a 19 on the die and do 12 points of damage to it.&nbsp; If I then change the AC to 16 and the hit points to 90, no rug has been pulled out from under you.&nbsp; You still would have hit for the same damage, so what you have experienced has not changed.&nbsp; You could not determine the AC or hit points of the creature from the roll, so the information you received and that you are going to use as informational still tells you the exact same thing after my change.&nbsp; Your don't have enough intel to make a choice that is any better or worse from from the first set of stats vs. the second.&nbsp; No rug has been pulled out from under you.Now, if you had rolled a 15 and hit and then I changed it to 16 so you later miss, THEN your argument that the rug was pulled out from under you would have some merit.No.&nbsp; Increased player enjoyment is never a problem.It would ruin my enjoyment and the enjoyment of many others.It would ruin my enjoyment and the enjoyment of many othersAnd for numerous people it wouldn't reduce their enjoyment of the fudged fight.Er, yay?&nbsp; You've just shown that people are different and that you don't like fudging.&nbsp; However, people are different and other people do like fudging.No.&nbsp; Your examples showed nothing of the sort.&nbsp; Revealing maps and monster stats ruins the enjoyment for many people.&nbsp; Fudging does not ruin the enjoyment of the fight for many people.&nbsp; They are essentially the same with regard to enjoyment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6801825, member: 23751"] You're fighting a monster that I have written down as AC 15 and 80 hit points. You roll a 19 on the die and do 12 points of damage to it. If I then change the AC to 16 and the hit points to 90, no rug has been pulled out from under you. You still would have hit for the same damage, so what you have experienced has not changed. You could not determine the AC or hit points of the creature from the roll, so the information you received and that you are going to use as informational still tells you the exact same thing after my change. Your don't have enough intel to make a choice that is any better or worse from from the first set of stats vs. the second. No rug has been pulled out from under you. Now, if you had rolled a 15 and hit and then I changed it to 16 so you later miss, THEN your argument that the rug was pulled out from under you would have some merit. No. Increased player enjoyment is never a problem. It would ruin my enjoyment and the enjoyment of many others. It would ruin my enjoyment and the enjoyment of many others And for numerous people it wouldn't reduce their enjoyment of the fudged fight. Er, yay? You've just shown that people are different and that you don't like fudging. However, people are different and other people do like fudging. No. Your examples showed nothing of the sort. Revealing maps and monster stats ruins the enjoyment for many people. Fudging does not ruin the enjoyment of the fight for many people. They are essentially the same with regard to enjoyment. [/QUOTE]

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