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<blockquote data-quote="rlor" data-source="post: 6803820" data-attributes="member: 6803226">I'd say it is a form of deception just like when I bluff while playing cards.&nbsp; A big difference in cards is everyone is expected to bluff and is on equal footing.As a DM I never do it, but if you have a table full of people that are all really attached to their characters and don't want them losing or dieing because that would kill the enjoyment of the game for them, then I could see the DM having a good reason to fudge the crit into a normal hit because that table will have more fun.&nbsp; I'd personally seek to use a different tool by changing the stakes of the combat.If you have a table of mixed playstyles where some people who are perfectly fine with their characters losing or dieing are present and they get annoyed that the DM fudges dice, then fudging to me is not a good idea.&nbsp; If the DM were to say &quot;I'll sometimes fudge things, deal with it or don't play&quot; then they can make an informed choice before play.&nbsp; Or the DM can use any other number of options, some which have been said by iserith in this thread, to reduce the chance of sad times without annoying others.From my personal experience I have encountered more DMs that have a mixed table and incorrectly think they have a table full of the former (and this is even if I discount my own personal view from the tally).&nbsp; Added on to that most are not the best at bluffing and so while you certainly wouldn't catch them every time, or even most of the time, they have fairly obvious tells even if you're not looking for them.&nbsp; And once a player feels pretty sure, then they're not going to trust any convenient roll after that.I guess what I don't like when these threads come up is normally the people responding that are pro-fudge seem like they are going to do it regardless of the table they DM for and while for their current table it may be accepted as good practice, I don't think that would be the case all the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rlor, post: 6803820, member: 6803226"] I'd say it is a form of deception just like when I bluff while playing cards. A big difference in cards is everyone is expected to bluff and is on equal footing. As a DM I never do it, but if you have a table full of people that are all really attached to their characters and don't want them losing or dieing because that would kill the enjoyment of the game for them, then I could see the DM having a good reason to fudge the crit into a normal hit because that table will have more fun. I'd personally seek to use a different tool by changing the stakes of the combat. If you have a table of mixed playstyles where some people who are perfectly fine with their characters losing or dieing are present and they get annoyed that the DM fudges dice, then fudging to me is not a good idea. If the DM were to say "I'll sometimes fudge things, deal with it or don't play" then they can make an informed choice before play. Or the DM can use any other number of options, some which have been said by iserith in this thread, to reduce the chance of sad times without annoying others. From my personal experience I have encountered more DMs that have a mixed table and incorrectly think they have a table full of the former (and this is even if I discount my own personal view from the tally). Added on to that most are not the best at bluffing and so while you certainly wouldn't catch them every time, or even most of the time, they have fairly obvious tells even if you're not looking for them. And once a player feels pretty sure, then they're not going to trust any convenient roll after that. I guess what I don't like when these threads come up is normally the people responding that are pro-fudge seem like they are going to do it regardless of the table they DM for and while for their current table it may be accepted as good practice, I don't think that would be the case all the time. [/QUOTE]

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