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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6804873" data-attributes="member: 22779">That's not entirely true though.&nbsp; If I roll X, and get result Y, and then roll X again, I should be able to guess that I will get the same result.&nbsp; Again, I realise there are differing results for differing situations.&nbsp; But, I agree, die rolls aren't the point of the game.&nbsp; They are the direction of the game.&nbsp; The die rolls tell you what happens.&nbsp; Viewed through the lens of the DM and the mechanics of course, but, it's still telling you what happens.But, fudging changes this.&nbsp; The dice don't actually tell you what happens, now I'm being told what happens by the DM despite what the dice say.&nbsp; And this is something I don't like.The argument was though, that there is no difference between a DM hiding and changing die rolls and the DM hiding his maps for his adventure.&nbsp; There are significant differences between these things.&nbsp; The DM hides the map, but not the fact that he HAS a map.&nbsp; And, in play, the DM reveals that map to the players.&nbsp; Fudging, OTOH, is 100% hidden and should never be revealed to the players.&nbsp; Not only am I not supposed to know if the DM fudged this particular roll, I'm not supposed to know that the DM fudges AT ALL.&nbsp; It's inherently dishonest.&nbsp; In any other game this would be called cheating.&nbsp; EVERY game.&nbsp; But, for some reason, it's become acceptable in RPG's.&nbsp; I reject that.&nbsp; I don't believe it is acceptable and I have zero interest in playing at tables that do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6804873, member: 22779"] That's not entirely true though. If I roll X, and get result Y, and then roll X again, I should be able to guess that I will get the same result. Again, I realise there are differing results for differing situations. But, I agree, die rolls aren't the point of the game. They are the direction of the game. The die rolls tell you what happens. Viewed through the lens of the DM and the mechanics of course, but, it's still telling you what happens. But, fudging changes this. The dice don't actually tell you what happens, now I'm being told what happens by the DM despite what the dice say. And this is something I don't like. The argument was though, that there is no difference between a DM hiding and changing die rolls and the DM hiding his maps for his adventure. There are significant differences between these things. The DM hides the map, but not the fact that he HAS a map. And, in play, the DM reveals that map to the players. Fudging, OTOH, is 100% hidden and should never be revealed to the players. Not only am I not supposed to know if the DM fudged this particular roll, I'm not supposed to know that the DM fudges AT ALL. It's inherently dishonest. In any other game this would be called cheating. EVERY game. But, for some reason, it's become acceptable in RPG's. I reject that. I don't believe it is acceptable and I have zero interest in playing at tables that do. [/QUOTE]

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