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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaculata" data-source="post: 6805235" data-attributes="member: 6801286">To me it depends in what way the fudging is being done. If I roll a stealth check, and the monster fails his perception check, but the DM decides that he still finds me then that sort of stuff pisses me off. That is cheating, because the DM made a perception roll and then ignored the result. It makes me feel like my stealth ability is useless, because regardless of how good my character is at stealth, the DM can randomly decide to render it useless.If I see the DM reroll attack rolls for monsters, even though I know the monster has only one attack, then that is unacceptable fudging too. I don't like it when DM's just keep rerolling till they get the result they want. That negates the point of having defenses. If the monster misses, then that's tough luck for him.But I am not against fudging when the DM uses it as a tool to make the game more fun. If the players are suffering from a series of unfortunate crits from monsters, and are hurting bad, then I don't mind if the DM secretly changes one of the crits to a normal hit. And he does not need to tell us. I am also not against it when a DM declares a monster dead, when it really still had 1 hit point left. This is what I like to call the "Logue versus the dragonlich" example:I play a barbarian called Logue, and the whole party is on its last legs as they are fighting a Dragonlich. We know the creature will kill us in the next round, because none of us have any hitpoints, healing potions or spells left. So in a moment of glory, Logue casts off all of his armor, and charged at the creature completely naked. He figures that if this were to be his last moment, he would go down in style defending his friends. I roll a crit for Logue, I roll a lot of damage on top of that (regardless of the crit, because it is an undead), and the beast dies with that last blow. Beautiful moment! Everyone cheers! But did the DM fudge? I will never know. Do I care? Not really.</blockquote>

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