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<blockquote data-quote="Imaculata" data-source="post: 6806090" data-attributes="member: 6801286">Not directly perhaps. But if a monster or npc has to make an opposing check, and the DM fudges that roll, that is something I do not accept as a player. Sure, it's possible that the monster rolled a 20 on his perception check. But how often in a row does that happen? I have had the displeasure in the past of playing a campaign with a DM who seemed to think that it was him versus the players. Like it was some sort of competition, where only his monsters and his npc's were supposed to come out on top. And we all had the feeling like he was fudging constantly.That's not really what is under discussion here. When we talk about keeping the players in the dark, I think of stuff like the story, secret doors, plot twists, traps, that sort of thing. Of course the DM is supposed to keep things a secret. But what we are discussing here is fudging: Which is basically a minor form of cheating on the part of the DM.To me there's a huge difference between keeping monster stats a secret, and fudging. The first is expected of the DM, the second is discouraged.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaculata, post: 6806090, member: 6801286"] Not directly perhaps. But if a monster or npc has to make an opposing check, and the DM fudges that roll, that is something I do not accept as a player. Sure, it's possible that the monster rolled a 20 on his perception check. But how often in a row does that happen? I have had the displeasure in the past of playing a campaign with a DM who seemed to think that it was him versus the players. Like it was some sort of competition, where only his monsters and his npc's were supposed to come out on top. And we all had the feeling like he was fudging constantly. That's not really what is under discussion here. When we talk about keeping the players in the dark, I think of stuff like the story, secret doors, plot twists, traps, that sort of thing. Of course the DM is supposed to keep things a secret. But what we are discussing here is fudging: Which is basically a minor form of cheating on the part of the DM. To me there's a huge difference between keeping monster stats a secret, and fudging. The first is expected of the DM, the second is discouraged. [/QUOTE]

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