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<blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1429710" data-attributes="member: 6398">Alright...&nbsp;You cite one instance in a pre-written module where the PCs won't be able to reach a city in time to get the job done.&nbsp; But that's just one instance.&nbsp; There are numerous other instances when such isn't the case, and once teleport is available, the occurance of such instances drops dramatically.&nbsp;I mean, I agree that, in a game that feature medusa, basalisk, draconic breath weapons, disintegrate rays, and other insta- or near-insta-death effects, having insta-cure effects for death is needed just for continuity.&nbsp; However, if such things aren't common (and might not be just as a matter of personal taste), then the insta-cures become less of a balancing factor and more of a crutch for poor decision making.&nbsp; And besides, the number one reason often sited in favor of such magics is that of attachment to the character.&nbsp; To that all I really have to say is to be more careful next time around.&nbsp;Remember, I'm not against restoring life to a PC (there likely aren't too many GMs that are), but rather against the limitless amount of life restoration that the spells grant compared to, say, 1E/2E where you knew with each character death that you were also one step closer to irrevocable death.&nbsp; While some folks might hold themselves back from over-using it to the point of cheesiness, that doesn't remove the potential for cheesiness that comes with it, which is what is often being removed by groups that choose to not have these spells as a part of game play (or, like me, to reduce their frequency and availability).&nbsp;Or, we can look at it from a different angle (that being how to include them so that the cheese-factor doesn't come up): Rather than death-cures being available simply because Core demographics indicates that X number of people in a city of size Y (or perhaps even a PC being able to cast one), they instead become something that must be sought out and becomes a relevant part of game play, often involving quests, terms of service, oaths of behavior, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bendris Noulg, post: 1429710, member: 6398"] Alright... You cite one instance in a pre-written module where the PCs won't be able to reach a city in time to get the job done. But that's just one instance. There are numerous other instances when such isn't the case, and once [i]teleport[/i] is available, the occurance of such instances drops dramatically. I mean, I agree that, in a game that feature medusa, basalisk, draconic breath weapons, disintegrate rays, and other insta- or near-insta-death effects, having insta-cure effects for death is needed just for continuity. However, if such things aren't common (and might not be just as a matter of personal taste), then the insta-cures become less of a balancing factor and more of a crutch for poor decision making. And besides, the number one reason often sited in favor of such magics is that of attachment to the character. To that all I really have to say is to be more careful next time around. Remember, I'm not against restoring life to a PC (there likely aren't too many GMs that are), but rather against the [i]limitless[/i] amount of life restoration that the spells grant compared to, say, 1E/2E where you [i]knew[/i] with each character death that you were also one step closer to irrevocable death. While some folks might hold themselves back from over-using it to the point of cheesiness, that doesn't remove the [i]potential[/i] for cheesiness that comes with it, which is what is often being removed by groups that choose to not have these spells as a part of game play (or, like me, to reduce their frequency and availability). Or, we can look at it from a different angle (that being [i]how[/i] to include them so that the cheese-factor doesn't come up): Rather than death-cures being available simply because Core demographics indicates that X number of people in a city of size Y (or perhaps even a PC being able to cast one), they instead become something that must be sought out and becomes a relevant part of game play, often involving [i]quests[/i], terms of service, oaths of behavior, etc. [/QUOTE]

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