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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 1429751" data-attributes="member: 3146">It's not that raise dead type magics are widely available and effective in D&amp;D that I was referring to as nonsense (though as I explored, I think a lot of people overstate the case by focussing on level 9-20 where the PCs can actually cast teleport and raise dead, while ignoring level 1-8 where they can't); it's the idea that such things make players less careful than they are when Raise Dead, etc is limited.I know that I am, if anything a more careful player in 3e than I was in 1e or 2e. Even in the 3e game where I managed to get a True Ressurection out of the DM to continue playing the (5th level) character (my only 3e death so far), the threat of death didn't seem diminished at all by the fact that my character had come back. The only time that the knowledge that Raise Dead is available would make a difference would be in going on a suicide mission. Otherwise, my goal is for my characters not to die and unless something they think worth sacrificing themselves for comes up, they'll try their best not to die whether there's Raise Dead or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 1429751, member: 3146"] It's not that raise dead type magics are widely available and effective in D&D that I was referring to as nonsense (though as I explored, I think a lot of people overstate the case by focussing on level 9-20 where the PCs can actually cast teleport and raise dead, while ignoring level 1-8 where they can't); it's the idea that such things make players less careful than they are when Raise Dead, etc is limited. I know that I am, if anything a more careful player in 3e than I was in 1e or 2e. Even in the 3e game where I managed to get a True Ressurection out of the DM to continue playing the (5th level) character (my only 3e death so far), the threat of death didn't seem diminished at all by the fact that my character had come back. The only time that the knowledge that Raise Dead is available would make a difference would be in going on a suicide mission. Otherwise, my goal is for my characters not to die and unless something they think worth sacrificing themselves for comes up, they'll try their best not to die whether there's Raise Dead or not. [/QUOTE]

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