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<blockquote data-quote="a-d" data-source="post: 5533981" data-attributes="member: 6672372">Except in my case an item with +1 to ten different skills isn't really to give&nbsp; a bonus to an existing skill. Instead it's to gain access to a skill in which I have no ranks whatsoever.However the requirement...excuse me, apparent requirement that the crafter have at least the same skill rank as the bonus they are attempting to place into the item in question means that the DM would have to allow assisted crafting for me to craft an item with a bonus to a skill which I've no ranks in.Such as needing the assistance of someone with at least one rank in Knowledge, Planar to create an item which gives a bonus of +1 in that skill.Whether this would count as trained or untrained is a bit of a puzzle to me, though the bonus cap being +10 seems to hint at Untrained.Using Wish to gain ranks in a skill however seems like it would without question count as Trained.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="a-d, post: 5533981, member: 6672372"] Except in my case an item with +1 to ten different skills isn't really to give a bonus to an existing skill. Instead it's to gain access to a skill in which I have no ranks whatsoever. However the requirement...excuse me, apparent requirement that the crafter have at least the same skill rank as the bonus they are attempting to place into the item in question means that the DM would have to allow assisted crafting for me to craft an item with a bonus to a skill which I've no ranks in. Such as needing the assistance of someone with at least one rank in Knowledge, Planar to create an item which gives a bonus of +1 in that skill. Whether this would count as trained or untrained is a bit of a puzzle to me, though the bonus cap being +10 seems to hint at Untrained. Using Wish to gain ranks in a skill however seems like it would without question count as Trained. [/QUOTE]

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